Captain Variant research and screengabs

[loyalImperialCitizen[501st]]

In prep for potentially doing the captain variant of the imperial armoured commando. ive gone over all the best screengabs ive found relating to the red variant of the costume. and to open up a discussion about creating a new crl for the costume. given what ive found i do not believe it should be a separate crl in its entirety, but a variant of the crl.  

 

https://imgur.com/a/i3vUkNQ

 

to succinctly lay out what ive written under that collection of images, for those only passing by. 

 

The helmet remains identical to the base costume except for the ear section which has both the extruded detail piece and main ear section  in glossy or satin red, my bet is its matte red with glossy clear coat as with the rest of the costume. the white greeblie remains white and the other greeblies remain their base colour in the crl

 

the chest armour in its entirety remains the same as the base costume. shoulder detail and jet pack are additionally unchanged

 

the belt and holster are unchanged as are the physical pouches. ab section is unchanged

 

undersuit is unchanged, boots seem to be the same as the normal crl, and the gloves do not appear to be changed as can be seen in previous screen gab. holster is visibly white in all examples of the officer variant.

 

shins are same red as the rest of the red components. boots are white, knees also appear to be red in all examples visible. thigh plates are unchanged

 

finally the vambraces. as ive outlined in the main gallery of pics posted in a link at the top. the white on the vambraces appears to be red instead, the red lighting remains and all the detail pieces remain the same colour as the base costume. this applies to both sides as the grey details on the left gauntlet are visibly a much lighter and whiter colour than the red around it. while not great lighting one can assume that since those details are grey on the base kit, that they remain grey.  the missile pod on the right seems identical. as do the mettalic elements and keypad at the front. the detail between the rocket and keypad is visibly the same colour as the missiles metallic components as can be seen here. 

 

with regard to the weaponry , i couldnt find any clear examples of them being any different to the base trooper but if im wrong and theres examples id love to see them and obviouslly thats just more to build or modify the crl. im looking forward to this journey

 

 

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

Great to get a dialogue to get the conversation started, albeit we do need a finished costume to be able to create a CRL or variant to a CRL. 

 

These troopers used the variant pistol, Mando ends up with at the end of S3E08

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would think the holster would be different too to accommodate the pistol, doesn't look as wide

 

 

[loyalImperialCitizen[501st]]

Going off those screenshots it does appear that there’s a variant of holster. The question being now I guess is are all the captains wearing it or just a couple. From the screenshots I’ve seen it seemed like at least a couple were wearing the normal holster but I might be wrong. It seems like The holster itself is the same up until the blaster so the actual design probably only needs a tweak there to match the blaster 
 

im planning to work on the captain variant . As I’ve already been planning a normal version I thought why not take the time to research the other variant and maybe get a crl up for it eventually. 

Edited September 13 by loyalImperialCitizen

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

12 minutes ago, loyalImperialCitizen said:

Going off those screenshots it does appear that there’s a variant of holster. The question being now I guess is are all the captains wearing it or just a couple. From the screenshots I’ve seen it seemed like at least a couple were wearing the normal holster but I might be wrong. It seems like The holster itself is the same up until the blaster so the actual design probably only needs a tweak there to match the blaster 

My understanding was they only had 2 of the red variants and I've not seen any on screen of more than two at the same time

[loyalImperialCitizen[501st]]

Might have just been going insane then, it happens. 😂 That does seem to be the only physical difference between it and the normal variant. Everything else seems to be paintwork 

Edited September 13 by loyalImperialCitizen

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

Side by side comparison of the holsters

[loyalImperialCitizen[501st]]

Mmm, so essentially it seems like it’s the v shaped straps but a different gun holding part. So yeah that shouldn’t be too hard to get done. The blaster itself looks more complex than the other pistol but nothing impossible. 

do you think thats something we’d be having as optional , a choice between the modified SE-14 style blaster or the jango style westar  foundry 5 . Or do you think we’re strictly to on screen.  In which case they aren’t seen using the rifle the grunt commandos are seen with so that might have to be omitted. 
 

in my humble opinion i could see the captain being an extension of the crl much in the same way the gunner has variants which are nearly identical but have maybe a single component different that warrants the modified crl, the captain is for all intents and purposes the base costume with a different holster , and added paint details which would pretty much be the existing crl with some points modified to be red instead of white. I don’t know if it’s distinct enough to really warrant a separate crl. 
 

however I also see the argument that the shoretroopers are all functionally identical except for a couple components and slightly different paint scheme to denote rank. So I can maybe see it being its own crl , but using pretty much a modified version of the existing crl 

 

this is primarily a place to get opinions and I welcome them , I’d love to get this crl made eventually and the best way to get that done is group consensus 😊. And of course my blood sweat and tears getting it done.  I’m also planning on getting it done to centurion levels of accuracy  so we’ll have to see if there’s anything that warrants additional level 2 or 3 requirments (I don’t think they will but this is a place for opinions so bring em on 🙃👍)  

 

I’ll be starting up a wip when I’ve got some things to actually show, the helmet hand plates and bicep plates will start being printed next week with everything but the main helmet body being resin printed. I want all the detail

Edited September 14 by loyalImperialCitizen

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

1 minute ago, loyalImperialCitizen said:

Mmm, so essentially it seems like it’s the v shaped straps but a different gun holding part. So yeah that shouldn’t be too hard to get done. The blaster itself looks more complex than the other pistol but nothing impossible. 

do you think thats something we’d be having as optional , a choice between the modified SE-14 style blaster or the jango style westar  foundry 5 . Or do you think we’re strictly to on screen.  In which case they aren’t seen using the rifle the grunt commandos are seen with so that might have to be omitted. 
 

in my humble opinion i could see the captain being an extension of the crl much in the same way the gunner has variants which are nearly identical but have maybe a single component different that warrants the modified crl, the captain is for all intents and purposes the base costume with a different holster , and added paint details which would pretty much be the existing crl with some points modified to be red instead of white. I don’t know if it’s distinct enough to really warrant a separate crl. 

I doubt it would be an option for the sidearm, as screen references show the pistol being used and a different holster, but yes no rifle unless you can find screen references.

 

Really up to our DL and the LMO's to discuss whether it will be a new CRL or added as a variant, as you rightly point out many other detachments have multiple variants on single CRL's, such as IOC, Gunners etc, although Pathfinders have separate CRL's for their Shoretrooper variants so it could go either way.

 

Taking a look at one of our own CRL's, TFA and there is additional language when using some optional weapons so that could be an option too, again up to the DL and LMO's

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Riot shield and riot baton must both be present.
• Pauldron, backpack, ammo pouches and ammo vest shall not be worn with riot baton/riot shield combination.

 

 

 

 

[Sly11[Admin]]

Excellent, I was hoping someone wanted to do this version.

Brief discussion with staff so far is that this would be an addition to the existing IAC CRL as much is the same.

Very exciting to see this costume come together and work on its inclusion to the line up.

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

Unless of course if you include Battlefront 2 references (I don't have the game so can't supply any other references), red variants showing SE style blaster, holster and rifle  

[loyalImperialCitizen[501st]]

Oh you just had to send that didn’t you 

 

though that is an excellent question. I’m not sure if it’s canon so someone will have to correct me on that. But if so then it does seem like we could have base approval having both  holster and blaster combos  being approvable.  And then a level 2 or 3 requirement of that specific blaster and holster.  Rifle I feel like we could be fair and say it’s optional. Personally I don’t see why they wouldn’t use them as pistols only go so far and a long range more powerful option would certainly be something I’d use in their place.  But I can see the benefit of having a higher level of accuracy restricting the weaponry to just the jango style pistol and holster. 
 

depends what people are thinking. Just putting out options as battlefront has been used for a great deal of crls so we probably have to take that version into account 

Edited September 14 by loyalImperialCitizen

[loyalImperialCitizen[501st]]

right so im gonna be attempting to do the holster at some point when the blaster is printed. going off the images we've gathered above i can conclude this 

from the above image, the part of the holster which holds the gun is roughly as tall as this box

it seems to have a cutout at the back where the trigger guard would otherwise prevent it from going fully into the holster. while it has a more trapezoidal appearance. wider at the top than it is lower, its not enough to have the blaster go as low as it sits in the images of it holstered. so there is likely a cutout as with the grunt holster. only on this one it doesnt go round to the side since its half as wide. the y straps are identical to the grunts, which leaves a lot more of the rear half exposed compared to the grunts. as shown in the image below since its a much narrower holster on a side profile

 

 

while we dont have any real good images of the holster close up, it definitely appears to be two separate fake leather components, the y strap and the holster component, which is visibly attached somehow with no sewing.  i assume this means it was glued together. and the holster component is a complete cylinder shape glued onto the y strap, which should extend all the way down to the bottom of the holster, or thereneough.

 

any opinions on this would be exceptionally helpful since we really dont have good enough views and din doesnt take the holster with him when he steals their pistol so unlike the pistol theres no good references externally

Edited October 2 by loyalImperialCitizen