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[Veist[501st]]

vor 12 Minuten schrieb themaninthesuitcase:

The first image to me shows clearly that section is not separate. And looking again today I think it also shows that the bottom edge continues past the end of the right “edge” which to me says pleat, which when combined with the front view, sorry forgot to post that last night and my wife is on the computer, which shows the same fabric around the front. 
 

At this point in am convinced the bottom layer is a full skirt, with the rear detail formed by 2 pleats. Then the rest is all layered over this. 

So you say its pleated above and is not an extra piece at the rear?

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

I take back what I just said, that will teach me to post from memory.

 

 

Thats the front. You can see the front point I mentioned, with a border to give it a clean finished appearance. Looking now with it fresh what I notice is I can see the thigh armour.  If it was a full wrap of skirt you wouldn't be able to.  And I think I can just make out the ribbing in the under suit so it's not caught behind.

 

As for the rear

  

 

I've tried to highlight the edge in red, and the pleats in blue. I cannot see a split that would indicate an overlap. What I can see is one continuous edge, where the pleats have come open at the bottom edge. 

 

It also all stops at the hip, so not a skirt.  Seems I was seeing things that where not there last night.

 

This would mean we end up at something like this:

• Rear half skirt, hip to hip, 2 pleats to form a centre panel in the back. Ends mid knee. Width of that section is 50-55%% of the width of the raised section on the back plate.
• Front tabard with a pointed tip, measured at 110º, ends mid thigh. Trim in matching fabric to the body of the tabard.
• 2 leather "flags" with red trim. That red trim is brighter that the rear half skirt.
• 2 hip pads with vertical diamond quilting , same red trim as the front flags. Could be leather like the front, could also be the same material as the half skirt. The promo image makes it look like it could even be a 3rd material as the colour and how reflective it is doesn't match the leather its next to, the trim around it or the tabard material next to it. I don't think thats down to lighting.

I would say the half skirt and the tabard are the same material.

[Veist[501st]]

vor 16 Stunden schrieb themaninthesuitcase:

I take back what I just said, that will teach me to post from memory.

 

 

Thats the front. You can see the front point I mentioned, with a border to give it a clean finished appearance. Looking now with it fresh what I notice is I can see the thigh armour.  If it was a full wrap of skirt you wouldn't be able to.  And I think I can just make out the ribbing in the under suit so it's not caught behind.

 

As for the rear

  

 

I've tried to highlight the edge in red, and the pleats in blue. I cannot see a split that would indicate an overlap. What I can see is one continuous edge, where the pleats have come open at the bottom edge. 

 

It also all stops at the hip, so not a skirt.  Seems I was seeing things that where not there last night.

 

This would mean we end up at something like this:

• Rear half skirt, hip to hip, 2 pleats to form a centre panel in the back. Ends mid knee. Width of that section is 50-55%% of the width of the raised section on the back plate.
• Front tabard with a pointed tip, measured at 110º, ends mid thigh. Trim in matching fabric to the body of the tabard.
• 2 leather "flags" with red trim. That red trim is brighter that the rear half skirt.
• 2 hip pads with vertical diamond quilting , same red trim as the front flags. Could be leather like the front, could also be the same material as the half skirt. The promo image makes it look like it could even be a 3rd material as the colour and how reflective it is doesn't match the leather its next to, the trim around it or the tabard material next to it. I don't think thats down to lighting.

I would say the half skirt and the tabard are the same material.

To me its not a full rear skirt. 

Picture below!

It shows clear that both panels are seperate, and that the left panel is abouve the right

Second pics shows for me that it really could be an extra panel above the two big rear panels. There is a clear line where the arrows are

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

4 hours ago, Veist said:

t shows clear that both panels are seperate, and that the left panel is abouve the right

Hard to argue with that image. You can clearly see the gap.

 

I don't agree on a third panel though. On the shot from the rear left above, you can see the fabric is folded at the top, and then opens up towards the bottom.  Actually it's easier to see if you crank the exposure even further, though this is the limit of any detail.
 

 

In some images that line is a really solid line and well defined, like the one you have posted. In others like above, it's much softer.  I wonder if this just come down to how much use the costume had at any one scene and a clean pressed line slowly falling out with use.

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

Updated the under suit text to account for it being textured, roughly based on the R1 text.

[Veist[501st]]

vor 16 Stunden schrieb themaninthesuitcase:

Hard to argue with that image. You can clearly see the gap.

 

I don't agree on a third panel though. On the shot from the rear left above, you can see the fabric is folded at the top, and then opens up towards the bottom.  Actually it's easier to see if you crank the exposure even further, though this is the limit of any detail.
 

 

In some images that line is a really solid line and well defined, like the one you have posted. In others like above, it's much softer.  I wonder if this just come down to how much use the costume had at any one scene and a clean pressed line slowly falling out with use.

Would agree with 2 panels. The question is just, how are these connected, overlap or a different method

[Veist[501st]]

So the main belt and front parts are now definitely from leather, while the rest is fabric? And the borders from the front parts and diamond parts are a brighter red than the border of the rear section? 

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

Unless anyone can see different, seems to be.  There is a definite leather(or leather like) grain on the waist band and the front panels.

 

 

Hip panels are much harder to tell, but the one on the left appears to be reflecting differently to the waist band which makes me think fabric.

 

The rear panels and front tabard fabric based on the drape, and the way it's showing creases.

 

On 4/19/2024 at 1:40 PM, Veist said:

Would agree with 2 panels. The question is just, how are these connected, overlap or a different method

 

What I am seeing is something like this:

 

 

[Sly11[Admin]]

100% that is leather or pleather to get those textures

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

I have updated the kama, now over skirt as its more than just a kama.

I have also updated the belt to remove any reference to specific widths and have made it relative.

 

Open to feedback and thoughts on if things are at the right levels for clearance.

[Veist[501st]]

Looks good to me. At our current status as we dont have any specific more informations for the skirt  would go with that what you have written. Can be updated when we have more infos

[Sly11[Admin]]

10 hours ago, Veist said:

Looks good to me. At our current status as we dont have any specific more informations for the skirt  would go with that what you have written. Can be updated when we have more infos

100%.

CRL's do evolve as new info comes to light.

[Veist[501st]]

One thing, to me it looks like the border of the 3 front parts and the side panels has a more brighter red than the border of the rear parts. Rear parts border looks like the border is made out of the fabric itself

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

On 4/29/2024 at 6:48 PM, Veist said:

One thing, to me it looks like the border of the 3 front parts and the side panels has a more brighter red than the border of the rear parts. Rear parts border looks like the border is made out of the fabric itself

I agree but not sure it need to be codified in the CRL, and certainly not under level 3.  There is always a certain amount of "use your eyes" with these and the danger is by saying the border is lighter, rather than the subtle difference we see, which may even be a lighting trick due the bias of the fabric, you get a stark difference which looks wrong.

 

At this point if there are no issues with the text, though please do not consider this closed,  I am open to submissions for the CRL images.  We will need the "hero" images at the top and then appropriate images of each component separately.  If you feel this is you, please do reach out directly and we can organise and get this CRL live.

[Veist[501st]]

One thing:

 

CRL for the blaster mentions a white grip. Isnt it golden aswell?

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

And Hot Toys reference

 

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

Honestly I see white in that photo. 

[Veist[501st]]

Would say its more gold than white

also, the hot toy figures blaster has also a golden detail under the middle ring, that part is also black in some renders

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

[Sly11[Admin]]

Looks very much Gold in this screen cap.

Also adjusting the brightness and contrast, it stays the same colour as the end cap on his blaster.

 

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

Yes, those two when brightened it's gold.  The older images it looked white.

 

I'll adjust the colour.

[TxuTxi[TK]]

Hello friends!

 

I am excited to see the work being done to move the Captain Enoch CRL forward.

 

I have several questions.

 

1. Can we find out the belt width measurement?
2. Seeing what has been said about the overskirt, could we venture to draw a pattern?
3. About the holster... Do we have a clearer picture to see the complete shape?

And in another order of things:

 

 

I understand, as I have read, that these gloves could be valid. correct?

 

 

we could use this image for the CRL....

 

 

- For the undersuit. I have found this fabric, elastic, that I think could work to make an undersuit. what do you think?

 

 

Edited May 16 by TxuTxi
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[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

On 5/15/2024 at 12:16 PM, TxuTxi said:

Can we find out the belt width measurement?

I can make an estimate but your best bet is to makes something that has the correct relative size for you.

 

On 5/15/2024 at 12:16 PM, TxuTxi said:

Seeing what has been said about the overskirt, could we venture to draw a pattern?

It's not something I will be doing, as much as I'd love an Enoch there is a long queue!  Anything produced and share would be warmly welcomed I am sure.

 

Gloves look okay to me, maybe a little bright. A second opinion might be a good idea.  Probably wants a littler wearing in and weathering.

 

On 5/15/2024 at 12:16 PM, TxuTxi said:

we could use this image for the CRL....

We cannot use some one else's photography. We have to provide our own.

 

For the fabric, I don't think it's a corduroy in the show, for basic I suspect it would be fine but some thing closer would be best fore higher levels, as I think the gaps between rows wouldn't meet  "must be proportion to official references."

[Veist[501st]]

One thing regarding the over skirt: Is the main belt supposed to be a brighter red than all other parts? To match the trim border of all panels.

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

All I can say really is try make it look right.

 

There are at least 3 different materials in play, the leather, the fabric for the borders, the fabric for the rest. The hip pads probably are that same fabric, but they could be leather or even something else entirely.

 

I appreciate that this isn't a very helpful answer but so long as it looks right, and the difference in tones is not to big I expect you would be okay with your GML.