themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 The new home for Captain Enoch as seen in the Disney+ series Ahsoka This thread is for the creation of the CRL for this costume, please keep all discussion relevant to the main goal. As this armour has similarities with elements from the Night troopers we will be able to reuse some of the work down there: https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/53884-welcome-to-the-night-trooper-resource-thread-for-crl-creation/ 3 Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 (edited) Below is an amended Nightrooper/R1 CRL. Items known to not be on the costume, such as cod and posterior, have been committed. Please remember this is a work in progress and is not final. Required Costume Components The following costume components are present and appear as described below. General Construction Notes All costume elements are painted and weathered to match the specific visual references for this costume. At basic level, level 2 gold or gold colored leaf is not required. At basic level cracks can be painted on, but must be engraved to obtain EIB (Level 2). Please Note: All damage must be 100% screen accurate if individual wishes to obtain EIB (Level 2) approval from Detachment. Helmet Helmet is based on the Rogue One/Anthology style stormtrooper helmet. The face plate is gold in color Vocoder (vertically ribbed chin detail) is painted black. Lenses are black or grey in color. Lenses sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. There are two cheek tubes that extend from the ears. Two vent greeblies are present in the end of each cheek tube at the bottom front of the helmet. Trapezoids on dome and tears on the cheeks of helmets are grey. Rear traps and tears have vertical black lines. There are 2 red imperial cogs on the front dome of the helmet. The cogs are positioned symmetrically, one on each side. The cogs have light weathering. The cogs are rotated as per references. Light to medium weathering as per references. Cracking as per references. Cracks may be painted on surface in metallic gold paint. Gray and gold color patches as per references. Note: The helmet is accurate in detail and proportion to official references. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Eye Lenses are domed in shape. Cracks are engraved into the surface. Ear screws must not have a visible slot mark and be flush to the ear. Any gap between the ears and helmet will only appear to be a seam, not any bigger. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Face plate and gold patches are covered with gold colored leaf. Cracks are filled with gold colored leaf. Vocoder is tubular in nature with 7 vertical tubes. A visible gap must be present between the Vocoder and the helmet. The inside of each rear trap will be a raised area that is grey, with 13 engraved black vertical lines, hand painted lines like ANH are not permitted. The inside of each side trap will be a raised area that is grey. Neck Seal Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck. Under Suit Dark Burgundy, non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos/designs. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Where visible shall be fully ribbed with all horizontal ribbing on the arms, legs, and back. The centre of chest and back may be mesh as long as it is covered by armor. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): All ribbing on knees, arms, chest, and back must be proportion to official references. Where visible around the neck the under suit is black. Shoulder Straps They may be affixed with Velcro or adhesive. Light to medium weathering as per references. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): These shall be inserted behind the chest tabs and into slots of the backplate. Shoulder Armor One on each shoulder. The shoulders are considered effectively symmetrical; but are not interchangeable. Left shoulder must be gold colored. Right shoulder must have 1 gold colored area per references. Light to medium weathering as per references. Cracking as per references. Cracks may be painted on surface in metallic gold paint. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Cracks are engraved into the surface. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): There is no swoop on the shoulder bell raised area. There is no elastic strap that wraps around the inside of the bicep. Gold sections are covered with gold colored leaf. Cracks are filled with gold colored leaf. Upper Arm Armor The front strip is bevelled and approximately ⅛" thick that does not extend beyond the bicep, and has a smaller cover strip layered thereon. Light to medium weathering as per references. Cracking as per references. Cracks may be painted on surface in metallic gold paint. Left side is approximately 3/4 grey as per references. Right side has 1 grey area that wraps the part as per references. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Cracks are engraved into the surface. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Cover strips will cover both the front and back joints. Biceps are loosely held closed in the back with elastic, shock cord (bungee cord) or white Velcro and are designed to remain flexible. Cracks are filled with gold colored leaf. Forearm Armor The front strip is bevelled and approximately ⅛" thick that does not extend beyond the bicep, and has a smaller cover strip layered thereon. Light to medium weathering as per references. Cracking as per references. Cracks may be painted on surface in metallic gold paint. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Forearms are loosely held closed in the back with elastic, shock cord (bungee cord) or white Velcro and are designed to remain flexible. Cover strips will cover both the top and bottom joints. Gold sections are covered with gold colored leaf. Cracks are filled with gold colored leaf. Hand Plates Roughly pentagonal in shape, the hand plates are mounted securely over the back of the glove. As an alternative to plastic, these may be made out of latex or latex-like material. Light to medium weathering as per references. Cracking as per references. Cracks may be painted on surface in metallic gold paint. Left handplate is gold colored. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Hand guards shall be made of plastic. Cracks are engraved into the surface. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Hand guards should follow the correct RO shape, ANH hand guards are not acceptable. A small indent in the front of the hand plate shall be present. Cracks are filled with gold colored leaf. Left handplate is covered with gold colored leaf. Gloves Dark Burgundy, leather or leather-like, enclosed fingered, non-textured, (normal leather grain/texture/lines are acceptable) fitted style. No buckles, straps, or decorative stitching. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Chest Armor Chest plate overlaps the abdominal plate. Light to medium weathering as per references. Cracking as per references. Cracks may be painted on surface in metallic gold paint. Right side must have 1 gold colored area per references. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Cracks are engraved into the surface. There are raised trapezoids at the top of the shoulder section beneath which the straps insert. The chest and back sides shall be connected by black extensions pieces. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Top pectoral out lines swoop correctly outward. Gold sections are covered with gold colored leaf. Cracks are filled with gold colored leaf. Back Armor There are raised trapezoids at the top of the backplate section beneath which the shoulder straps insert. The backplate continues past these trapezoids towards the top of the shoulder Right side There is a black square shaped greeblie with a circular gold recess detail Left Side There is a rectangular raised section. There is a black colored rectangular frame. There is a gray section on the left. There are 2 raised vertical bars that are gold in color. Lower section There is a black square greeblie below the right greeblie. There is a small vertical rectangle to the right of the black square greeblie. There is a small rectangular greeblie with rounded ends below the right side black greeblie. Light to medium weathering as per references. Cracking as per references. Cracks may be painted on surface in metallic gold paint. There is a gold colored section along the bottom of the armor as per references. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Cracks are engraved into the surface. Top of box wall has a trapezoidal indentation. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Bottom of backplate is curved and extends past abdominal back cover plate. Gold sections are covered with gold colored leaf. Cracks are filled with gold colored leaf. Abdomen Armor The abdominal armor consists of a one-piece corset design with a vertical opening centered on the back. The back opening is covered by a rectangular cover plate that is worn under the back armor. There are 3 vertical ribs centered on the front of the abdomen and two (one left and one right) ribs further spaced to each side of the center. There are two (one left and one right) angled (approximately 70 degrees) ribs on each side of the abdominal armor. There are two (one left and one right) angled (approximately 70 degrees) recessed ribs on each side of the abdominal armor behind the raised angled ribs that are black Any side shims added are to be added to the white areas of the armor. The center front detail consists of a raised rectangular panel. On the right half of the panel, there is a vertical column of 4 buttons approximately ⁷⁄₁₆" (11mm) in diameter. The bottom button is blue while the other three are grey. On the left half of the panel, there is a vertical column of raised evenly spaced horizontal gear teeth with a recessed trapezoid at the top of the column. The rectangular inside bottom of the trapezoid is black. The left front detail consists of a raised rectangular panel with an angled top. There is a vertical column of 4 buttons approximately ⁷⁄₁₆" (11mm) in diameter. The right front detail consists of a primary raised rectangular panel with an additional secondary raised rectangular panel covering the top ⅓ of the primary panel. There is a column of three thin horizontal evenly spaced raised lines across the top ½ of the secondary panel. The abdominal armor is accurate in detail and proportion to official references. Light to medium weathering as per references. Cracking as per references. Cracks may be painted on surface in metalic gold paint. The armor is gold in color. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Cracks are engraved into the surface. The right front detail panel is centered between the two outer vertical right ribs. The left front detail panel is centered between the two outer vertical left ribs. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The abdomen armour is covered with gold colored leaf. The abdomen armor has two horizontal recessed rectangles centered above the center front detail panel and on each side of the center rib. All 8 Button details are recessed and bordered with a thin edge, only the recessed portion is painted. The center front panel column of raised gear teeth has only 9 teeth. There is a recessed edge (approximately ⅛" 3mm wide) along all four sides around the face of the center front panel The right front detail panel is centered between the two outer vertical right ribs. The left front detail panel is centered between the two outer vertical left ribs. There is a recessed edge (approximately ⅛" 3mm wide) along the sides and top around the face of the left front detail pane The abdominal armor back cover plate has two protruding tabs along the bottom that rest inside the back hard belt. Over Skirt There is a red leather or leather like waist band approx 2.5-3x the width of the belt. The top of the band is level with the bottom of the 3rd button down on the abdomen. There are 2 padded panels at the font, these panels are not rectangular and have a slight trapezoid shape. The body of the panel is leather or leather like. The front panels end approximately at the knee. There is a panel behind the padded front panels. The bottom is pointed at approx 110°. The panel ends mid thigh. Made from the same material as the rear skirt. There are two trapezoidal quilted hip panels, these panels end mid thigh. The quilting forms a vertical diamond pattern. There are two rear panels that form a half skirt. The panels are same length as the front panels. The panels do not wrap past the front of the hip. The panels over lap at the rear, left over right. All panels have a thin red border. Kama is lightly weathered. Belt Is made from black leather, or leather like material. Sits in the middle of the fabric band of the Kama. There is a front rectangular section slightly taller than the belt and is rounded on the right side. There is a raised section on the left side which is pointed on the right end. A thinner top strip runs the length of the belt and over laps the front section, with a pointed ends, forming the detail on the front of the rectangular section. There is a single popper shortly before the holster. Staps There are two straps that loop down from the belt. The straps are approx 2/3rd the width of the main belt Mount to a short strap at the rear that hangs vertically on each side, and is looped over the belt. There is a single belt loop to the left of the rectangular section, level with the strap. Holster Is made from black leather, or leather like material. Is worn on the right hip Hangs from a single wide loop. Has 2 black poppers just under the belt loop. Thigh Armor The thigh armor is mirrored for each leg and not interchangeable. The cover strips are beveled and approximately ⅛" thick that does not extend beyond the thigh and has a smaller cover strip layered thereon. The top edge of the thigh armor is unadorned, and the bottom edge has a raised detail that fallows the bottom edge contour. Light to medium weathering as per references Cracking as per references. Cracks may be painted on surface in metalic gold paint. Right Side The thigh is predominantly gray There is a gold colored section at the bottom of the thigh There is a white colored section at the bottom of the thigh The small ammo belt consists of 5 evenly spaced rectangle ammunition boxes and is installed on the bottom of the right thigh, there are no visible screws or rivets. The ammo belt it gold in color Left Side White in color There is a gold colored section on the outside of the thigh at the bottom. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Cracks are engraved into the surface. Thighs are loosely held closed in the back with elastic, shock cord (bungee cord) or white Velcro and are designed to remain flexible. Cover strips will cover both the front and rear joints. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The bottom outside edges of the small ammunition belt are angled at approximately 45 degrees. Thigh armor is suspended by a black strap approximately 1" 25mm in width with a plastic side release buckle that is covered by black webbing or elastic that runs down the side seam of the leg. Gold sections are covered with gold colored leaf. Cracks are filled with gold colored leaf. Lower Leg Armor The greaves are mirrored for each leg and are not interchangeable. The top edge of the greaves has a raised detail that fallows the top edge contour. The bottom edge of the greaves flairs out to cover the top of the ankle and boots. The cover strips are beveled and approximately ⅛" thick that does not extend beyond the greave and has a smaller cover strip layered thereon. Greaves are loosely held closed in the back with elastic, shock cord (bungee cord) or white Velcro and are designed to remain flexible. Cover strips will cover both the front and rear joints. The trapezoid knee plate (sniper knee plate) is affixed to the top of the left greave and there are no visible screws or rivets. Sniper knee plate must be aligned with the vertical cover strip and the top raised edge detail on the greave and is accurate in detail and proportion to official reference. Light to medium weathering as per references. Cracking as per references. Cracks may be painted on surface in metallic gold paint. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Cracks are engraved into the surface. The sniper knee plate has raised detail that fallows the top edge contour. The sniper knee plate has 3 trapezoidal lugs on each side and 2 on the center bottom edge (totalling 8) of the knee plate. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Gold sections are covered with gold colored leaf. Cracks are filled with gold colored leaf. Boots Boots are above ankle height and the same style as the First Order TK. Chelsea type boots in the style of OT TK are not acceptable. Boots are all white and made of leather or leather-like material Flat black soles without a heel. Patent leather or high gloss is not permitted. Light to medium weathering as per references OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): There is no seam present on the front of the boot. The wearer's inner side of the boots have zippers and no side elastic. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use. Captain Enoch SE-14 Blaster The blaster has an extended cone shaped barrel. There are 3 gold colored rings on the blaster 1 on the extended barrel 1 at the start of the barrel 1 at the rear of the blaster There is a narrow scope that runs approximately from the rear of the blaster to the top front sight. The scope is flared out at the rear Hand grips are gold in color. Edited October 4 by themaninthesuitcase Updated Skirt 3 Quote
Lidocaine[TK] Posted March 23 Report Posted March 23 (edited) Is it a safe bet that similar armor pieces to the R1 and Night trooper would follow similar build techniques for higher levels? IE for the Rogue 1 TK Biceps: OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Cover strips will cover both the front and back joints. Biceps are loosely held closed in the back with elastic, shock cord (bungee cord) or white Velcro and are designed to remain flexible. Edited March 23 by Lidocaine Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted March 23 Author Report Posted March 23 I will be starting with those as reference points, and the armour is based on modified R1 armour but at this stage it's hard to commit to anything, especially this early. 1 Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted March 23 Author Report Posted March 23 Made a start with some of the easier items. 1 Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted March 27 Author Report Posted March 27 Bit more filled in, also added bullet points to make it less of a sea of words. 1 Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 First go at the helmet added. 1 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 Good updates so far Chris, the Kama is going to be fun, we could possibly look at a few soft costume CRL's to see the type of descriptive language used. Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 Blaster is added, I think the handle grips are white based on this reference image: Also added the neck seal, this will be the default neck seal template. Just the undersuit, belt, Kama and holster to go. Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 Undersuit added. Edited as I believe the trousers to be black, not burgundy like the top. Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 Added General Construction Notes, which covers some general things like no 3d print lines, damage and weathering must match the references. 1 Quote
Veist[501st] Posted April 13 Report Posted April 13 (edited) Am 10.4.2024 um 22:56 schrieb themaninthesuitcase: Undersuit added. Edited as I believe the trousers to be black, not burgundy like the top. I think the trousers are burgundy like the top, this image shows it If the gloves are the same as the rouge one, should there be decorative stiching at the index finger for like Level 2 or 3? Also the hand grips of the blaster seems to be gold as well. Edited April 13 by Veist 1 Quote
gmrhodes13[Staff] Posted April 13 Report Posted April 13 I agree on the pants, seen a few images showing the same color as the undershirt Uniformity across CRL's is a good idea Gloves I would suggest it be the same as L2 of the ROTK CRL Gloves Black in color, made of Nomex, leather, or leather-like material, with no visible straps or logos/designs. The fingers are enclosed, non-textured. Rubber ANH style gloves are not permitted. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The base material of the gloves will be a black synthetic material similar to Lycra, Spandex, Elastane, or Nylon. Palms of gloves shall be shiny black fabric or leather or leather-like material. On the index finger shall be a stitched piece of fabric made from the same material as the hand's underside that while stitched to the finger has one cutout towards the end of the finger that reveals the netted material underneath. Gloves shall have the correct leather pattern along the fingers/palm. Hot Toys glove reference 1 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 I also agree with what Glen has said above. Both pants and ROTK CRL for gloves. Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 On 4/13/2024 at 11:01 PM, Veist said: I think the trousers are burgundy like the top, this image shows it That's an easy change, the images I had to hand where all in bad light. Do we have any better screen reference for the gloves? Whilst those Hot Toys do look Rogue One like, I'd prefer to go with a screen reference. Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 After accidentally changing it to be a burgundy neck seal, the under suit is now updated. For now it's the same as the standard TK one but dark burgundy, but happy for more input on the fabric if we can get some decent reference. Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 Kama first pass done. The references are "not amazing" due to being very dark, and lightening them can't bring back detail that wasn't there because of that. I think only the hips are quilted, in a diamond pattern, and all the rest are plain padded panels. I also can't find a good rear angle from the left to confirm that it is actually 2 panels overlapped, some images hint it could be 1 panel with a 2 pleats to get a raised centre section. I also made a couple of minor tweaks to the belt as I was zoomed in and was able to refine. A few specifics are missing like the belt widths but otherwise the bulk done ready for further refinement. Quote
Veist[501st] Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 (edited) I think the first pic shows that there is a clearly evidence of like bias tape, that is only in the right edge, but not on the left. So it looks to me like the right big part is under the left, and the left is folded abouve the right and is attached to it, forming the line on the left edge. For the border of all panels: The front and the hips seem to have a classical red border (like bias tape). But for the big 2 panels, it looks like their border is in the same colour as the fabric itself I also checked some references from the figure (and pic 3), but im unclear: For me, the waist band and the front parts are out of leather, while the hips and the 2 back panels are out of fabric. But this is only visible from the figure, not from the show, so i may be wrong about this. Additional point: to me the shoulder bells seem to be way shorter than regular TK shoulders Edited April 16 by Veist Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted April 16 Author Report Posted April 16 That image looks confirm that there is a pleat at least on the left side, creating a sort of raised panel. You can see the bottom edge is continuous. Still can't see the right side clearly, but IMO looking at the next image, both sides appear to match which would imply a second pleat rather than 2 panels over lapping. To have a pleat on one side and then an overlap on the other feels like a strange aesthetic choice. Gloves, they are just leather gloves. Not R1 style. See this promo image There is no padding, or the detail on the index finger. Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted April 16 Author Report Posted April 16 Also looking at that promo image we would want to add the ribbed texture to the under suit, either at level 2 or 3. The neck section is black with matching texture, https://i.imgur.com/BxLg18K.png this confirms black to me. The neck seal texture would be a level 2/3 thing for me. 2 Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted April 16 Author Report Posted April 16 8 hours ago, Veist said: For me, the waist band and the front parts are out of leather, while the hips and the 2 back panels are out of fabric. But this is only visible from the figure, not from the show, so i may be wrong about this. Looking zoomed in to the promo image, the waist band and front panels are defiantly leather. The red border trim matches the trim on the hips. The hip panels do not appear to be leather but harder to tell. The backing behind the 2 front panels looks fabric, something like a raw silk or taffeta maybe. To get that nice clean fold on the back I doubt it would be leather as the drape is worng. I can also see a bit of a point at the front in the promo. So this makes me think it's less of a Kama more of a skirt, with the two front leather "flags", leather wrap and then a padded panel on the hips. 2 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted April 17 Report Posted April 17 Good observation Chris, still hoping we get some real info on the Kama. I'll be sure to share if it comes through. Quote
Veist[501st] Posted April 17 Report Posted April 17 vor 20 Stunden schrieb themaninthesuitcase: That image looks confirm that there is a pleat at least on the left side, creating a sort of raised panel. You can see the bottom edge is continuous. Still can't see the right side clearly, but IMO looking at the next image, both sides appear to match which would imply a second pleat rather than 2 panels over lapping. To have a pleat on one side and then an overlap on the other feels like a strange aesthetic choice. Gloves, they are just leather gloves. Not R1 style. See this promo image There is no padding, or the detail on the index finger. When i started my kama reseach, i thought it is a third panel too.SInce it appears to be very floaty in the show. Looking at the second picture, i could be a panel layed on top of the two big ones, with border on both sides (border in the same color as the panel itself). Is it possible to get a direction this regarding soon? Since my friend who makes the kama for me is nearly this point Quote
themaninthesuitcase[Admin] Posted April 17 Author Report Posted April 17 The first image to me shows clearly that section is not separate. And looking again today I think it also shows that the bottom edge continues past the end of the right “edge” which to me says pleat, which when combined with the front view, sorry forgot to post that last night and my wife is on the computer, which shows the same fabric around the front. At this point in am convinced the bottom layer is a full skirt, with the rear detail formed by 2 pleats. Then the rest is all layered over this. This is all cobblers, ignore it. Quote
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