TK-19844 Requesting ANH Stunt EIB Status (IronMotion)(990)

[carcharoth[TK]]

I hope I'm doing this right. There may be some errors because english isn't my first language. 

I know the lighting isn't the best as is has a light yellow tint, but I tried to fix it a bit

Due to Covid19 it's a bit hard to find someone who is able to take pictures and check the fitting of the armor. 

 

Garrison: Swiss Garrison

TKID: 19844

Name: Ueli Isch

Profile: https://www.501st.com/members/displaymember.php?userID=27757&costumeID=76

 

 

Armour maker: IronMotion

Helmet maker: Ironmotion

Blaster maker: Doopydoos E-11 kit.

 

Full body pictures. One picture is from the approval so you see it's the correct color. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The rivets may be wrong? When I imagesearch for "rivets" and "pop rivets" it shows the same pictures. So I'm not sure if those are correct or if they need to be filled. 

 

 

 

 

(Original Humbrol Colors. Might look a bit off due to lighting, can retake new pictures if you want.) 

 

 

I'm not sure if the screws are right? The description on the CRL isn't very clear. But I believe I have to change them. (With the V-Screws, does this mean Sink-Screws?)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The writing is not visible when I'm wearing those. It's hidden under the armor. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 2020 by carcharoth

[TKSpartan[Staff]]

Hi Ueli, Thank you for your EIB submission , one of us will be with you shortly.

 

Meanwhile there are a few fixes that will be needed in order to proceed:

 

1-  AB / Kidney Gap , CRL for  L2 : " Any gap between the abdomen and kidney armor is no more than 1/2" (12.5mm) wide"

 

It looks like this could be just an  Ab/kidney strapping adjustment , Could you please check this out so the gap can be reduced up to 12.5 mm?

  

 

2- Thigh ammo belt CRL for  L2:"The rivets used shall be single cap, double cap or split rivets. No pop rivets allowed." 

 

Could you add a couple of photos inside the thigh ammo belt to see the rivets please? They seems to be pop rivets but it's not clear. If they are pop rivets, they should need to be changed for the correct style.

 

 

3- TD Screws CRL for L2: "Clips shall be attached with slotted type, flat or dome top style screws, and be black (two per clip).
V head screws are not permitted."

 

Yours looks to be slotted that is correct  but "V" head style and will need to be replaced for thr correct style and to be painted in white color.

 

 

4- Could you add a close photo of your right thigh front cover strip please? what we need to check is as per the crl states for basic level:  "Cover strip must end at the top of lower ridge in front and back."  and we can't see this detail clearly.

 

 

 

 

Additional info and photos will be requested by the assigned officer. 

 

Cheers 

 

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

Nice work trooper, a couple of things you may want to address before the DO's go over your application, these are suggestions.

 

TD caps are too narrow, also clips and screws/bolts are not accurate. Control panel corners should not be rounded.

 

 

You have different gaps between your shoulder bells, try bringing your right inwards at the top. You could also reduce the gap between your biceps and forearms.

 

Belt could come upwards

 

    

 

 Any gap between the abdomen and kidney armor is no more than 1/2" (12.5mm) wide

Also the height of the Ab and kidney should match 

 

 

          

 

 

Some of your black lines are a little wide

 

You have a little excess paint on your gums: Frown is painted gray and does not leave the teeth area. 

 

There is still some return edge on the forearms

 

Looks like you are missing a cod rivet

 

 

Ab button paint is a little large, the plates could be trimmed a little more, also the plates are not rounded on the corners

 

Ideal placement for thigh ammo strip rivets

 

 

Could you also post up an image of your ab/kidney side rivets and also the single top ab rivet.

 

 

[carcharoth[TK]]

8 hours ago, TKSpartan said:

Hi Ueli, Thank you for your EIB submission , one of us will be with you shortly.

 

Meanwhile there are a few fixes that will be needed in order to proceed:

 

1-  AB / Kidney Gap , CRL for  L2 : " Any gap between the abdomen and kidney armor is no more than 1/2" (12.5mm) wide"

 

It looks like this could be just an  Ab/kidney strapping adjustment , Could you please check this out so the gap can be reduced up to 12.5 mm?

  

 

2- Thigh ammo belt CRL for  L2:"The rivets used shall be single cap, double cap or split rivets. No pop rivets allowed." 

 

Could you add a couple of photos inside the thigh ammo belt to see the rivets please? They seems to be pop rivets but it's not clear. If they are pop rivets, they should need to be changed for the correct style.

 

 

3- TD Screws CRL for L2: "Clips shall be attached with slotted type, flat or dome top style screws, and be black (two per clip).
V head screws are not permitted."

 

Yours looks to be slotted that is correct  but "V" head style and will need to be replaced for thr correct style and to be painted in white color.

 

 

4- Could you add a close photo of your right thigh front cover strip please? what we need to check is as per the crl states for basic level:  "Cover strip must end at the top of lower ridge in front and back."  and we can't see this detail clearly.

 

 

 

 

Additional info and photos will be requested by the assigned officer. 

 

Cheers 

 

 

1)

Good thing I did those additional photos. It's already 1/2 inches

 

 

2) I'll try to fix that.

 

3) I still don't know what "V Style" is and google image search isn't helpful. Can you provide an example please? Does this describe the type of screwdriver-design? I.e. - vs +?

 

4) Will do as soon as I'm home

 

 

Edited August 20, 2020 by carcharoth

[justjoseph63[Staff]]

 "I still don't know what "V Style" is and google image search isn't helpful. Can you provide an example please"?

 

This refers to the shape of the screw head, Ueli.   What you have now are "V-head" (image 1) which are not permitted.  Ideally, they should be "Pan-head" (image 2) but round head screws (image 3) are acceptable.  The top must be slotted (top, image 4) and not Philips (bottom).  Hope this helps!

 

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[carcharoth[TK]]

On 8/20/2020 at 12:55 AM, TKSpartan said:

4- Could you add a close photo of your right thigh front cover strip please? what we need to check is as per the crl states for basic level:  "Cover strip must end at the top of lower ridge in front and back."  and we can't see this detail clearly.

 

This one? 

Please don't say that this strip is to short, as I don't have replacement material here :/ 

 

 

 

I'll try to fix the other things you guys mentioned on the weekend.

Should be relatively easy to do. 

 

 

[TKSpartan[Staff]]

31 minutes ago, carcharoth said:

Please don't say that this strip is to short, as I don't have replacement material here :/ 

Thank you for the photo. don't worry, it's ok.

 

What we need you to fix to your helmet frown is to refine the paint that leaves the teeth area. May be a toothpick and some paint remover, (NON ACETONE) can do the job. 

 

 

 

Cheers.  

 

 

[TKSpartan[Staff]]

Hi, could you please add the following Photos ?

 

1- Image of your ab/kidney side rivets and also the single top ab rivet. (if they are present)

 

2- Close Photo of your Helmet Neck Trim to see the type

 

3- Photo of your neck seal

 

Thank you.  

[carcharoth[TK]]

On 8/20/2020 at 1:13 AM, gmrhodes13 said:

TD caps are too narrow, also clips and screws/bolts are not accurate. Control panel corners should not be rounded.

 

 

 

Fixed the screws. (Visited 3 Citys and 5 Shops to get those as nowadays most hardware shops only have Philips and Torx Screws... *sigh* 

(And ignore the black smudge on the holder. I cleaned after I saw it on the picture )

 

There's still a problem with the caps as I can't make them broader. If this isn't acceptable for Level 2 I'm forced to withdrew or pause the application until I can get new ones. 

 

 

  

 

 

Edited August 22, 2020 by carcharoth

[carcharoth[TK]]

9 hours ago, TKSpartan said:

Hi, could you please add the following Photos ?

 

1- Image of your ab/kidney side rivets and also the single top ab rivet. (if they are present)

 

2- Close Photo of your Helmet Neck Trim to see the type

 

3- Photo of your neck seal

 

Thank you.  

 

Hi

 

1. There aren't any side rivets as they're only required for Level 3 which I'm not aiming for. L2 is enough for me  

 

2 & 3 see photos attached. 

 

 

 

 

 

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

8 hours ago, carcharoth said:

 

Hi

You will still need a cod rivet A split (bifurcated) or single cap rivet is present on the lower tab (cod area) of the abdomen armor

 

[TKSpartan[Staff]]

13 hours ago, carcharoth said:

1. There aren't any side rivets as they're only required for Level 3 which I'm not aiming for. L2 is enough for me  

 

Hi , thank you for the additional photos and the fix of  TD screws , ( I'm sorry you have a challenge time looking for those specific screws, but certainly your TD looks much better now  )

 

Don't worry about the Ab/Kidney rivets , this will appear as  a L3 requirement and the same for the TD caps. 

 

One more fix that we need you to make,(As Glen has pointed ), is to add a split rivet to the Cod of your armor. It doesn't need to be functional, but it's a must for EIB.

 

The Crl for level 2 states: 

A split (bifurcated) or single cap rivet is present on the lower tab (cod area) of the abdomen armor.
Rivet does not need to be functional.
Rivet on must be brass or silver in color, approximately 5/16" (8mm) in diameter and is not painted.

 

 

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Almost there Trooper !!  

[carcharoth[TK]]

Don't worry. That's in the making

But I don't know if these exist over here as I've never seen one in a hardware store. 

Would a normal rivet be okay too? As long as it looks right on the outside. 

 

Edit:

Normal rivet should be ok according to the CRL. That's great, so I can fix it without visiting 5 hardware stores again ;D 

 

Edited August 23, 2020 by carcharoth

[justjoseph63[Staff]]

Unfortunately a normal rivet may not do, Ueli.  The head needs to be flat or convex and be about 8 mm in diameter.  Since you have more than a dozen TKs in the Swiss Garrison, I would advise getting in touch with one or more of them to find out what source they used for theirs.

[carcharoth[TK]]

As far as I know, most TKs over here use the normal rivets from Prym.

Only one uses the split rivet but he got it from RS and doesn't know a source in switzerland for these. I also searched the websites of the biggest stores over here and only found plastic rivets or "Musterbeutelklammern" which are clearly the wrong ones. 

 

 

Maybe it's just a miscommunication due to language, but the crl states 

A split (bifurcated) or single cap rivet is present on the lower tab (cod area) of the abdomen armor.

And when I google "single cap rivet" they look exactly like the one pictured below. 

 

Not to sound rebellious or something, I'm just confused

 

 

 

 

Edit: I have these too: 

Is it possible that those above are double cap, and those below are single cap? 

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2020 by carcharoth

[TKSpartan[Staff]]

16 hours ago, carcharoth said:

Edit: I have these too: 

Is it possible that those above are double cap, and those below are single cap? 

Hi, Yes the second photo is for single cap rivets. You can use then for the Cod and Thigh ammo pack.

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers.  

[carcharoth[TK]]

3 hours ago, TKSpartan said:

Hi. Yes the second photo is for single cap rivets. You can use then for the Cod and Thigh ammo pack.

 

Cheers.  

 

That's great! I'll fix that as soon as I'm home and provide new pictures

(May take a while. It's 08:27AM over here )

[justjoseph63[Staff]]

The single cap rivets are actually perfect (and screen accurate) as long as the head size (diameter) is about 8 mm.

[carcharoth[TK]]

 

Cod rivet done after a lot of swearing because those rivets are the worst. (The bronze part didn't split properly. Wasted ~5 rivets for this part)

 

It also was a real pain to remove the ammo pack rivets only to find out, that these darn rivets are to short to re-attach the pack. 

Anyway, tomorrow I visit the capital city. There should be a store with the right rivets. Maybe I'll redo the cod rivet too. 

 

Anyway... time for something relaxing before I go real mad. 

See ya tomorrow. 

 

 

 

 

 

[TKSpartan[Staff]]

2 hours ago, carcharoth said:

Cod rivet done after a lot of swearing because those rivets are the worst. (The bronze part didn't split properly. Wasted ~5 rivets for this part)

 

It also was a real pain to remove the ammo pack rivets only to find out, that these darn rivets are to short to re-attach the pack. 

Anyway, tomorrow I visit the capital city. There should be a store with the right rivets. Maybe I'll redo the cod rivet too. 

 

Anyway... time for something relaxing before I go real mad. 

See ya tomorrow. 

 

 

I'm sorry to hear you're having a not good time with the rivets, we really appreciate your efforts  and believe me ,all that effort is worth it when you see your EIB badge under your name, your certificate and the extra bonus, "Being part of the EIB 1000. "

 

Thanks Trooper !! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[carcharoth[TK]]

Good news everyone 

 

I redid the Ammo pack with double cap rivets. 

 

 

Now the other good news:

I was in this leather shop, looking for single cap rivets and I asked him "You don't have split rivets, do you?" and he said "Of course I have" which was totally unexpected as I didn't believe a leather shop would have such things. Switzerland ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

The bad thing is, they're golden. The good thing is, it's only a coating. After I sanded it with 400 and 5000 sanding paper, it looked like in the picture below. Now I can mirror myself in them

 

So, the question is: What do you think, should I redo the cod rivet and replace it with the split rivet? On one hand, it'll look better and the rebels can see themselves when they lie dying on the battlefield and we march over them. On the other hand, I never worked with such rivets before and I feel a bit weird to have pointy things in that region

 

In theory I could also redo the ammo pack with those, but I believe that the double cap rivets are more stable and according to the CRL they're okay too. 

 

 

 

 

[TKSpartan[Staff]]

1 hour ago, carcharoth said:

So, the question is: What do you think, should I redo the cod rivet and replace it with the split rivet? On one hand, it'll look better and the rebels can see themselves when they lie dying on the battlefield and we march over them. On the other hand, I never worked with such rivets before and I feel a bit weird to have pointy things in that region

 

In theory I could also redo the ammo pack with those, but I believe that the double cap rivets are more stable and according to the CRL they're okay too. 

 

Hi, Ueli, what a great news ! 

 

Your ammo pack looks better now. I'm not sure if is a light effect or do they  still need to be painted in white color? 

 

About re doing the Cod rivet , you can leave it as it, It's according the crl. 

 

Great work  !!  

 

 

 

 

 

[carcharoth[TK]]

2 hours ago, TKSpartan said:

 

Your ammo pack looks better now. I'm not sure if is a light effect or do they  still need to be painted in white color? 

 

 

That's no light effect, that's me being stupid. I really forgot to paint it white  (It was a long day... ) 

 

Did that with white edding. But can add acryl color if you want. 

 

 

 

[TKSpartan[Staff]]

1 hour ago, carcharoth said:

That's no light effect, that's me being stupid. I really forgot to paint it white  (It was a long day... ) 

 

Did that with white edding. But can add acryl color if you want. 

  welcome to the forgetfulness club , those things happens to me every time. 

 

Please add some more white to have a more accurate finish please.  

 

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[carcharoth[TK]]

Freshly painted layer with white acryl paint.