TLJ / TROS CRL Update Work Flow

[ukswrath[Staff]]

For discussion of TLJ and TROS CRL only. Please keep this thread on topic 

 

CRL - https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TK_-_First_Order

 

 

EDIT: Added working CRL to this post. This is fluid and will be adjusted as we discuss further.

 

White is existing text in the CRL

Green is additions and corrections

Red is what exists but requires change/removal

 

Helmet

• Lenses are smoky brown or gray in color. They may be bubble in shape or flat and must be sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes.
• A single silver aerator/mic tip cylinder is on lower left side of the wearer's chin.
• The frown is solid black and covered in black hexagonal mesh that extends to the tears.
• Each tear (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) is solid black.
• Seven cut out tube stripe slots are on each side of the helmet.
• Two clip greeblies are present over the traps on the side.
• Two clip greebles are present on the top of the helmet, parallel to the trap greeblies.
• The clip greeblies must be the correct TLJ version.
• Along the base of the helmet a black stripe runs from the side of the helmet and across the back to the other side.
• There is a slight groove that circumvents circles the helmet above the brow.
• There is a slight grove that circumvents circles the helmet along the bottom and over the chin.
• A brow of solid black material spans from the traps over the lenses.
• Directly below the traps toward the base of the helmet is a small trapezoidal stripe.
• Mouth area is angled and has 7 teeth with mesh/grill behind.

 

Neckseal

• Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area.
• The neck seal may close at the front or the rear.

OPTIONAL Level

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• The neck seal must close at the front using a zipper enclosure.
• Ideally, the neckseal shall have 11 ribs.
• · The neckseal has a glossy finish.

 

Chest Plate

• The chest plate overlaps the abdominal plate.
• The center-top of the chest plate is recessed and black on the side and upward facing edges.
• A smaller clasp greeblie shall be present on each side of the chest, just inside a small indented area the size of the greeblie.
• There is a slight groove running vertical on each lateral side of the chest that angles toward the center.
• Six recessed black ovals are on the wearer's right side, left of the greeblie.

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

•  Grooves on sides of chest should show clear separation.
• Six recessed black ovals are cut out and backed with black material.

 

Back/Yoke

• The back plate contains a "O II" design, and the O is black in color.
• ·There are no visible seams on the back/yoke.
• The yoke portion extends over the wearer's shoulders and curves under the armpits.

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• A support tab extending from the outside top arch of the yoke shall be present. The support tab should be of a sturdy material, white in color.

Need to include an image of the support tab

 

Thermal Detonator

• The thermal detonator mounting plate sits under the back plate and rests above the belt.
• The control panel is black.
• The right hand recessed end cape is black.
• The lefthand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is black all around the cylinder as well as the end surface.

• The left-hand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is all black.
• · There should be no visible seams  A visible seam is permissible between the detonator assembly piece and the detonator mounting plate.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Small section of black around the base of the left extended end cap shall be present.
• The slot that runs across the top of the detonator shall have a black decal or be painted black at the bottom of the groove.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• The endcap is part of an inner cylinder that slides into the detonator assembly. The cylinder is completely painted black.
• It is visible through the top grove and back window(control Panel)
• The slot that runs across the top of the detonator should be cut through so the inserted black cylinder is visible

 

Shoulder Gaskets

•  Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges.
• The shoulder gaskets must cover all exposed areas under the shoulder bell, between the bicep and chest, and between bicep and back.

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

· Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable.

 

Shoulder Bells

•  One on each shoulder.
• The shoulders are considered effectively symmetrical. They may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders.
• Shoulders have small round extension at the top under the bell itself that butts up against the yoke.

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Biceps

• Biceps have one seam that faces forward, and a seam on the inside of the arm. The rest of the bicep must be seamless.
• A clip greeblie is present low and across the seam.
• Two black ovals are present on the outside-facing side of the

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OPTIONAL Level

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Trapezoid detail and ridges in bicep must be present (small detailed section).
• The inner seam should be overlapped.
•  Seams can be fixed or functional.

 

Elbow Gaskets

Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges.

The elbow gaskets must cover all exposed areas between the bicep

and forearm.

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable

 

Forearms

• Forearms shall have have ridged rail, similar to a picatinny, embedded on the inside of the forearm, roughly covered 1/3rd by a box shape.
• Forearms shall have a box on the bottom of the wrist end. Each box shall have a single black square in the lower inside corner.
• Each forearm shall have two 'clasp greeblies' on the outside facing surface, near the wrist.
• ·Detail box includes black rectangle on small edge perpendicular and closest to wrist.

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• On the ridged rail the third retaining button head closest to elbow is to be painted grey or is a grey decal.
• · The boxes should sit against the forearm with minimal to no gap.

 

 

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• The seam between the forearm boxes and the forearm should not be filled.
• The top (elbow end) of the forearms should be trimmed in the correct TLJ shape TFA cut is not permissible. (Replace images with more accurate shape)

 

Gloves/Handplates

• Are black with white palm, thumb and forefinger.
•  Extend underneath the forearm.
•  White area is made from leather or leather-like material.
• Handplates are rigid square boxes and the hand plates are mounted securely over the back of the glove.
• The recessed oval detail is aligned with the index finger of each hand.
• A black decal or paint may be used to emulate the recessed oval detail.

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Glove palm must have black stitching.

 

Abdomen Section

• The abdomen section must wrap around the wearer's body without a visible seam.
• ·The abdomen has 7 boxes attached that match the order and placement shown against the armor.
• The large box has a small black recessed square on the lower left to the wearer.
• The second box to the right of the wearer has a small black recessed rectangle near the top.

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The boxes should sit against the abdominal plate with minimal to no gaps.

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OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• The seams between the abdominal armor and the 7 boxes should not be filled.

 

Codpiece

• The codpiece sits below the abdomen and under the belt.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• ·TLJ correct cod is required.  Must replace image with correct cod

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

 

Posterior armor

• The posterior armor sits below the abdomen and under the belt.

 

Belt

• The belt is ribbed and made from a rubber or a rubber like material. The width of the belt is approximately 2" (50mm).

 

•  Five white rectangular boxes and one pouch sit on the belt.
• There are 2 horizontal boxes on the front, on each side of the center. They are painted white on the outside half and black on the inside half.
• There are 2 vertical boxes on the right of the wearer.
• There is a large vertical black pouch with a white cover behind the left side of the wearer.
• A small black cloth pouch is worn on the left side and hides the buckle or remaining belt material.

 

Undersuit

• An undergarment must be worn such that the space between the thighs and the belt shows a black material. The black material may be shiny or matte.
• The reference photo shows the type used on screen but is not required for basic approval.

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• The shorts area of the undersuit should be shiny.

 

Thighs

• There are seams on the inside and outside of the thighs.
• A clip greeblie is present high and across the outside seams of each thigh.
• The right outside thigh to the wearer includes a base for a holster (holster must be present).

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Holster must be shown to be Functional.

 

Knee Gaskets

• Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges.
• The knee gaskets must cover all exposed areas between the thigh and shin.

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable.

 

Knee Plates

• The knee plates mirror each other and are placed evenly between the thigh and the shin.
• Convex edge of knee plate faces upward.

 

 

 

Shins

• There are seams on the inside and outside of the shins, with the opening on the inside.
• A clip greeblie is present high and across the outside seams of each shin.
• The wearer's left outside shin includes two vertical thin boxes that are seamless.
• There is a rounded rectangle at the bottom outer front of each shin, which is visible above the spat. The recessed area is black.

 

Spats

• The spats wrap around the lower ankle, just below the black ankle rectangles.
• The spats are enclosed on the outside of the ankle with a greeblie that overlaps the open side.
• There is a visible seam on the inside of the ankle.

 

Boots

• The boots are above-ankle height, and made of white leather or leather-like material.
• There is a seam down both sides of the front that swoops out to the side of the foot.
• There is a vertical zipper on the inside that spans the height of the boot.
• There is a black flat sole with no heel.
• No buckles or laces.

 

Optional Accessories

Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be

submitted to local GML for approval before use.

 

 

 

Shoulder Pauldron

 

• A red, white, or black ornament made of rigid plastic or plastic-like material, worn over the right shoulder.

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

•  Must not be worn with riot baton or riot shield.

 

 

 

Ammo Pouch

• One three slot German MP-40 style ammo pouch on the left shoulder.
• Pouch is black in color and made of canvas, leather or leather-like material.
• Pouch stitching must be black.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

 

Ammo Vest

• Black cordura or cordura-type material covering the chest armor.
• There are two straps attached to the outer top edges of the vest, going around the shoulders to connect to clips on each side of the vest.
• An additional strap starts along the bottom of the vest and goes around the wearer.
• There are 5 ammo pouches present.
• There are 3 white plates mounted along the top of the 3 central ammo pouches.
• Straps are connected with quick disconnects (clips).
• There are additional fabric bands across each ammo pouch.
• The outer two ammo pouches have front flaps present and closed.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

•  Strapping should match reference photo.
• When worn, riot baton and riot shield must not be present.

 

 

 

 

 Riot baton

 

• The baton has a white base with two black triangles on both sides, a silver pommel, black side grips, and a silver handle perpendicular to the base.
• The end of the base has an extension roughly 1 foot long with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart.
• ·There is a black strip running down the center of both sides of the extension.
• At the end of the extension, there are two white half cylinder arms each with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. The end of the half-cylinders are angled at roughly 45 degrees.

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

•  Riot shield and riot baton must both be present.
• Pauldron, backpack, ammo pouches and ammo vest shall not be worn with riot baton/riot shield combination.

 

 

 

F-11D Blaster

• Blaster may be scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster.
• · Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos.
• Blaster may have a picatinny rail on right side of barrel 
• Blaster may have sling attached.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Rear sight is painted black
• D-Ring shall be present on the rear end cap, rectangular in shape and painted white
• 3-D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Working lights and working front torch are required.
• Front handle must be movable.
• Blaster must have a picatinny rail on front side of barrel 

 

 

 

F-11D Blaster Rifle (Heavy)

• Blaster may be scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster.
• Similar to standard F-11D Blaster with extended stock attached.
•  Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos.
• Blaster may have a picatinny rail on right side of barrel

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Rear sight is painted white
• 3-D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

3-D printed riot baton can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance.

•  Working lights and working front torch are required.
• Front handle must be movable.
• Blaster must have a picatinny rail on front side of barrel

 

 

NEW Additions:

Riot baton

• The baton has a white base with two black triangles on both sides,a silver pommel, black side grips, and a silver handle perpendicular to the base.
• The end of the base has an extension roughly 1 foot long with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart.
• There is a black strip running down the center of both sides of the extension.
• At the end of the extension, there are two white half cylinder arms each with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. The end of the half-cylinders are angled at roughly 45 degrees.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• 3-D printed riot baton can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Riot shield and riot baton must both be present.
• Pauldron, backpack, ammo pouches and ammo vest shall not be worn with riot baton/shield combination.
• Baton should have working lights down length of both sides of the barrel, and top of rear housing, center of back triangle area.

 

Electroprod

• Blaster Prod may be scratch-built or 3D printed.
• Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• There is a small tube that runs from half way up the shaft to the head.
• 3-D Electrprods can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance.

 

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Electroprod must have working lights, rows of red in top silver housing and blue in end prongs.

 

First Order Hand binders.

 

 

 

 

[Harbinger[IPM]]

Several of the TFA updates carry over as freebies due to the way the templates are built, more reference now so may need to make some things that are currently shared separate.

 

 

PS: Feel free to split off if needed:

 

One topic JAFO and I discussed after TFA updates was the F-11 picture was incorrect, should have a black rear sight for regular and white rear sight for the scaled-up version.

 

He sent me some photos but I need to get them off of FB and into here, will try and do so this next week.

[Sly11[Admin]]

Cool.
I think we will definitely run these two CRL’s
as one with the two seperate and very clearly marked weapons load outs.




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[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

5 hours ago, Harbinger said:

One topic JAFO and I discussed after TFA updates was the F-11 picture was incorrect, should have a black rear sight for regular and white rear sight for the scaled-up version.

There had been no screen references given of the scaled up version at that the time to compare with size variance to standard blaster.

[Harbinger[IPM]]

I don’t really know if we should split it into two versions per se but at a minimum call out that either color sight is acceptable.

 

The TLJ F-11 had some differences anyway if I recall.

Edited February 29, 2020 by Harbinger

[ukswrath[Staff]]

11 hours ago, Harbinger said:

The F-11 picture was incorrect, should have a black rear sight for regular and white rear sight for the scaled-up version.

 

He sent me some photos but I need to get them off of FB and into here, will try and do so this next week.

Is there screen caps of the pumped up version? I haven't seen any

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

Blaster reference thread 

 

 

Pulling in some info and pics from some other threads, I haven't gone through them yet to remove anything not directly needed but didn't want to loose the info after I've been searching for an hour  

 

Author JAFO

 

The current CRL doesn’t address two other known differences between TFA and TLJ troopers ... the forearm shape is different and so too are the helmet clips. They are flat rather than indented.

 

 

The real forearm difference is the shape at the elbow. A different cut altogether.

 

The area you’ve highlighted as ‘grey ‘ is actually a dome head Allen key bolt. This was one of two bolts used to affix the Picatinny rail on the TLJ kits.

 

There are three different cod shapes seen in TLJ and I trust the CRL will address this in time.

 

It’s hard to enforce the all black end cap as standard when the TFA TD is seen several times in TLJ.

 

 

 

Admittedly the TLJ TD was a complete redesign from TFA but it’s hard to ignore the facts seen above.

 

Spats

 

 

F-11D HEAVY BLASTER
Approximately 20% larger than the standard F-11D blaster and equipped with a tactical shoulder stock.

Only question is whether carrying the Heavy Blaster is restricted to troopers wearing ammo vests.

 

Great mod on the TD. Like you, I used a can lid to add the extra length. I took things even further by cutting out the strip on the back of the TD to make it more accurate to TLJ.



The TFA TDS were solid resin and weighed 1.5kgs. For TLJ they completely redesigned the TD, cut-out the apertures and created a lightweight insert.

 

 

This promotional image appears to show the F-11D has some traits of both the previous versions.
 

 

In these images you can also see the cocking lever through the rail. Looks like TFA reuse likely.

 

It seems inconclusive based on different reference. Here’s a whole bunch more for reference.

 

Official First Order character standees for TROS

Electroprod

 

 

Glad to see we will be able to include the upgraded TD in the CRL for both TLJ and TROS.

 

Just returned from a third viewing and there's lots of fun stuff to be caught when watching the FOTK scenes very closely.

There's a scene on Kijimi that is reversed, so the calf greeblies appear on the right leg. There are bendy cod pieces all over the place, a cracking thigh split as Poe et al escape the Star Destroyer, and then there is the case of the shortening TD end cap.

As you can seen from the pic below the trooper on screen right has the standard width black end cap (approx. 1in/25mm), whereas trooper left as a much shorter end cap. It's all black so isn't a TFA TD. Given the TD cylinder is an insert it looks like they were prone to getting pushed further in to the holder.

I spotted this issue a few times and it can also be seen in the 'Jedi Mind Trick' scene.

 

 

 

Author The5thHorseman

 

One really funny thing is that the white cap on the magazine is glued on backwards! Haha, I wonder if all the blasters in the film will have that same issue.

 

There's also two visible vent holes in the barrel at each end of the top t-track. However, the heavy F-11D linked in the first post of this thread doesn't have them, so it might just be an error from the propmakers specific to this blaster.

 

Ooh, the cocking channel has been swaped from the left/hand side of the blaster to the right/hand side. That's kind of an important design modification actually.

 

(Mind the End Caps while at it.)

 

(Mind the End Cap Latch, while at it).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Author gmrhodes13

 

Clip recesses section also a little bigger on TLJ on helmet, different recess in main part of the clip and no recess in the end section of the clip

 

 

Forearm differences

 

Cod

 

 

Baton handle lights

 

Forearm overlap and split in top plate

 

Blaster detail

 

Binders

 

 

 

Overlap

 

 

 

Sling, D ring (also note need an update for TFA to add sling as an option)

TFA Sling

 

 

D ring TLJ (rectangle)

 

 

Rear sights different color, black std blaster, white heavy blaster (update TFA also)

 TLJ  

 

Not all have a D ring (rectangle)

 

 

 

 

Lights run up handles when charging laser ax's TLJ-E

 

 

Weathering 

 

 

More wreathing and blaster torch rail. Also forearm box lifted at front. (deleted scene)

 

 

Nice side shot of teeth, also right forearm box barely attached, aluminum rail on blaster mount.

 

 

Blaster

I think you would need to show examples of the blaster size difference, would be easier for those looking at the CRL's to see a noticeable difference.

 

Could be confusing for those who reference the TFA Visual Dictionary which shows a F-11D blaster with "removable stock" it would make no sense for the blaster to have a removable stock if the blaster was only going to be upsized for heavy/vest troopers, after all standard troopers are not seen (that I'm aware off) with the addition of the removable stock only on heavy/vest troopers so there should be mention of two different versions (sizes) of the F-11D blaster. 

 

I used this as a reference but it is still open to interpretation as the heavy/vest trooper is slightly more in the foreground and the rotation of the blaster showing less black so appears thinner.

 

This is the issue, really need definitive references not just approximate open to interpretation sizing  

 

 

 

Neck seal closes at front

 

Cod

[ukswrath[Staff]]

Just out of curiosity can we confirm if any of the TFA details are NOT visible in the TLJ or TROS? The reason I ask is if these are just variants then we can note it in the CRL instead of stating they doesn't exist in later versions. 

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

Haven't looked that far into the details, perhaps there area  few "Mr No Stripes" 

[Sly11[Admin]]

Couple of extra TD images from the Europeans Red Carpet of TLJ

 

[ukswrath[Staff]]

These are great photos Andrew. 

 

1) The TD canister base sides are not flush with the edge of the back plate. Indented at least 3-6mm

2) There's substantial gap and indent between the left cap and tube, 2-3mm

3) Horizonal indent at the top of the tub is stepped and a black decal at the  lowest level (so I suspect)

 

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

Just bumping so it doesn't get buried

 

Cricket made me aware that the CRL full image has the incorrect TD (although the TD detail image also needs updating  ) 

 

[Sly11[Admin]]

OK lets get the ball rolling with this CRL as I think we know what we need to do here.

• We need a new CRL model so we can fix this obvious TD issue, also do we have anyone with the correct TLJ/Tros blaster as those images will need to be included.
• Clip differences between TFA and TLJ obvious on the helmet (is it all greeblies that are different)
• Update blaster sites for TFA TLJ white and black size dependent. Correct blaster must be carried for costume. I say this as we are looking at adding TroS difference to the one CRL. (Accessories list update and informative).
• Spat's, very close and not sure if any of the makers are actually doing the TLJ version yet but happy to be wrong.
• Forearm cut difference
• Distinction on overlap of inside seam for EI and Centurion.
• Do we have a clear screen reference that shows the neck seal zipper at the front. If not leave it out but don't penalize anyone for having it accurate. No makers of this that I am aware.
• 11 rib distinction for Centurion neck seal.
• Cuffs for an additional accessory.
• Electro prod accessory for TroS
• Pic rail on blaster TroS

 

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

I will have to put forum cleanup on hold for the time being if I'm to spend time on this.

 

A few things while my brain is functioning

 

Need to add the scope mount / picatinny rail as optional

 

 

Add sling and mounts as option

 

 

 

Electroprod add for TROS version 

 

Reference of front facing zip.

Zip can just be made out in this image

Will check for other images.

 

Was also mentioned by one of the costume department in Facebook groups in regards to them being worn on the front from TLJ onwards. Also same with Sithtroopers as well.

 

Forearm difference at inner elbow

 

TBC

 

 

[Sly11[Admin]]

No problem Glen, you probably deserve a break from the tedium of that job for sure.

A group of us will get this nutted out and we shall take feedback from any that wish to input along the way.

Team work!

 

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

TLJ, TROS forearms

 

 

 

End cap D ring 

 

Rear sight

Black standard trooper

  

 

White heavy weapons trooper

 

 

A few more front facing zip

 

Another reference front facing zip TROS

Also referencing all other costumes from TLJ forwards having front facing zip on treadspeeder driver, sithtrooper and jet trooper

 

 

  

 

Also light mount / picatinny rail option for both std and heavy F-11D's (again showing different rear sight colors and D ring) not seen on all blasters

 

 

No mount

 

 

A light was only seen on LFL display F11-D, not on screen

 

Baton lights in rear section (Finn's hand) perhaps L3

 

Armor overlaps

        

     

 

(note front facing neck seal zip)

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

• Two clip greeblies are present over the traps on the side.
• Two clip greebles are present on the top of the helmet, parallel to the trap greeblies.

ADD

Greeblies are different to TFA, they have grooves but are almost flat, also no small rectangle recess and they sit in a larger recess area

 

 

 

• Seven cut out tube stripe slots are on each side of the helmet.

ADD

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

The seven recessed tube stripe slots on each side of the helmet are fully cut out.

 

 

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

Add binders / handcuffs as an option

 

Working lights for L3

 

 

[Sly11[Admin]]

Sounds good.

Do you or have you made a set? we will need a good clear image for the CRL.

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

1 hour ago, Sly11 said:

Sounds good.

Do you or have you made a set? we will need a good clear image for the CRL.

Not as yet, they are on the printing to do list, someone may have printed one from The5thHorseman's files

 

 

At this stage I'm am looking for information/references and will try to fill CRL requirements later. 

 

 

 

[Sly11[Admin]]

All good. I'm on conference calls today so popping on in between.

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

Wording is not my strong suit and may need to be changed as I'm not a wordsmith.

 

Correct images will also need to be added

• Neckseal Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area.

  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Neckseal is worn with zip facing forwards

  OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Ideally, the neckseal shall have 11 ribs. The neckseal has a glossy finish.

 

 

• Thermal Detonator The thermal detonator mounting plate sits under the back plate and rests above the belt. The small slot along the top of the detonator is black The control panel is black. The righthand recessed end cape is black. The left hand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is black all around the cylinder as well as the end surface. The left-hand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is all black. There should be no visible seams.

  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Small section of black around the base of the left extended end cap shall be present. The thermal detonator is not molded to the mounting plate, showing a clear separation

  OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The end cap is part of a tube which extends into the length of the detonator The small recess along the top of the detonator is cut out showing the black tube inside The control panel along the back of the detonator is cut out showing the black tube inside

  

 

 

 

[TKSpartan[Staff]]

11 minutes ago, gmrhodes13 said:

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Ideally, the neckseal shall have 11 ribs.
• The neckseal has a glossy finish.

 

 

Hi Gentlemen , would like to point the word "Ideally" we usually see in several CRLs .

When making a review (not only FO TK)  it looks like the ideally word feels like a "you can meet the requirement if you want , nothing happens" .

 L2 and L3 requirements, IMO,  should be  a must.  Thoughs? 

 

 

 

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

1 hour ago, TKSpartan said:

Hi Gentlemen , would like to point the word "Ideally" we usually see in several CRLs .

When making a review (not only FO TK)  it looks like the ideally word feels like a "you can meet the requirement if you want , nothing happens" .

 L2 and L3 requirements, IMO,  should be  a must.  Thoughs? 

 

 

 

I think from memory "Ideally" was added to the FO CRL's as there was only one clear image at the time showing the neckseal having 11 ribs and no proof others were the same.

11 here:

 

 

But looking at these two images there only appears to be 10 ribs (right side trooper, oh and disregard the arrows  )

 

 

10 here as well

 

 

 

Going off other images it appears 11 ribs is consistent throughout other TLJ/TROS costumes though

 

 

 

 

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

• Forearms Forearms shall have have ridged rail, similar to a picatinny, embedded on the inside of the forearm, roughly covered 1/3rd by a box shape. Forearms shall have a box on the bottom the wrist end. On top of each box shall have is a single black square in the lower inside corner. On the end of each box there is a small black rectangle on the outer side. Each forearm shall have two 'clasp greeblies' on the outside facing surface, near the wrist. Detail box includes black rectangle on small edge perpendicular and closest to wrist. On the underside of the wrist on the end is an oval black detail

  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): On the ridged rail the third retaining button head closest to elbow is to be either painted grey, a grey decal or a screw/bolt. Forearm elbow end should have the correct cut/inner curve (opposite to TFA)

  OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Forearm wrist box should be a separate piece and affixed to forearms. Forearm top plate is not attached at front of wrists.

 

 

Also the CRL image shows the lower box inner details on the outside, should be on the inside, but the forearm images may need to be changed if we add the angle/cut of the inner elbow

WRONG

 

CORRECT

 

 

 

FYI in the above image it shows the other clips/greebles on TLJ/TROS are the same as TFA (unlike the helmet clips/greebles)