Sly11[Admin] Posted March 1, 2022 Report Posted March 1, 2022 OK folks, we have 5 pages of work here so far, we need to start planning to take this to the next level. Importantly we will need some new images for some of the changes we are looking to update, but before that lets get changes grouped finalise some language and look at creating Polls for each proposal. I do think some of the discussion currently has highlighted a few things that might be difficult to use in a CRL at this time, so we need to isolate those and keep them for a future discussion There are plenty of things we can improve on from this thread and potentially some we have missed. Importantly TroS needs to be added to the TLJ tile and the possible load outs for weapon carry looked at closely. I'm sure everyone would like more toys to carry but they also need to fit with what we have seen on screen. Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted March 27, 2022 Report Posted March 27, 2022 TLJ/TroS This is currently what we are up to, we do need to go back through the many pages here and make sure we are including everything possible. Images required for shoulder tabs, correct blaster version for TroS with additional pic rail and anyu supportive images of changes we are looking to make. I feel this is all pretty straight forward and don't think there ewill be any push back from the LMO team. The plan from here will be to have this all settles for membership polling by end of April. Once polls open, we can move onto the next CRL update. White is existing text in the CRL Green is additions and corrections Red is what exists but requires change/removal or to suit TroS where needed. Helmet Lenses are smoky brown or gray in color. They may be bubble in shape or flat and must be sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. A single silver aerator/mic tip cylinder is on lower left side of the wearer's chin. The frown is solid black and covered in black hexagonal mesh that extends to the tears. Each tear (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) is solid black. Seven cut out tube stripe slots are on each side of the helmet. Two clip greeblies are present over the traps on the side. Two clip greebles are present on the top of the helmet, parallel to the trap greeblies. The clip greeblies must be the correct TLJ version. Along the base of the helmet a black stripe runs from the side of the helmet and across the back to the other side. There is a slight groove that circumvents circles the helmet above the brow. There is a slight grove that circumvents circles the helmet along the bottom and over the chin. A brow of solid black material spans from the traps over the lenses. Directly below the traps toward the base of the helmet is a small trapezoidal stripe. Mouth area is angled and has 7 teeth with mesh/grill behind. Neckseal Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area. The neck seal may close at the front or the rear. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The neck seal must close at the front using a zipper enclosure. Not sure about this one as it was seen both ways.Do we just go for a uniform look all one way???? Ideally, the neckseal shall have 11 ribs. · The neckseal has a glossy finish. Chest Plate The chest plate overlaps the abdominal plate. The center-top of the chest plate is recessed and black on the side and upward facing edges. A smaller clasp greeblie shall be present on each side of the chest, just inside a small indented area the size of the greeblie. There is a slight groove running vertical on each lateral side of the chest that angles toward the center. Six recessed black ovals are on the wearer's right side, left of the greeblie. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Grooves on sides of chest should show clear separation. Six recessed black ovals are cut out and backed with black material. Back/Yoke The back plate contains a "O II" design, and the O is black in color. ·There are no visible seams on the back/yoke. The yoke portion extends over the wearer's shoulders and curves under the armpits. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): A support tab extending from the outside top arch of the yoke shall be present. The support tab should be of a sturdy material, white in color. Need to include an image of the support tabs Thermal Detonator The thermal detonator mounting plate sits under the back plate and rests above the belt. The control panel is black. The right hand recessed end cape is black. The lefthand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is black all around the cylinder as well as the end surface. The left-hand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is all black. · There should be no visible seams A visible seam is permissible between the detonator assembly piece and the detonator mounting plate. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Small section of black around the base of the left extended end cap shall be present. The slot that runs across the top of the detonator shall have a black decal or be painted black at the bottom of the groove. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The end cap is part of an inner cylinder that slides into the detonator assembly. The cylinder is completely painted black. It is visible through the top grove and back window(control Panel) The slot that runs across the top of the detonator should be cut through so the inserted black cylinder is visible Shoulder Gaskets Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. The shoulder gaskets must cover all exposed areas under the shoulder bell, between the bicep and chest, and between bicep and back. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): · Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable. Shoulder Bells One on each shoulder. The shoulders are considered effectively symmetrical. They may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders. Shoulders have small round extension at the top under the bell itself that butts up against the yoke. } Biceps Biceps have one seam that faces forward, and a seam on the inside of the arm. The rest of the bicep must be seamless. A clip greeblie is present low and across the seam. Two black ovals are present on the outside-facing side of the · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Trapezoid detail and ridges in bicep must be present (small detailed section). The inner seam should be overlapped construction Seams can be fixed or functional. Elbow Gaskets Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. The elbow gaskets must cover all exposed areas between the bicep and forearm. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable Forearms Forearms shall have have ridged rail, similar to a picatinny, embedded on the inside of the forearm, roughly covered 1/3rd by a box shape. Forearms shall have a box on the bottom of the wrist end. Each box shall have a single black square in the lower inside corner. Each forearm shall have two 'clasp greeblies' on the outside facing surface, near the wrist. ·Detail box includes black rectangle on small edge perpendicular and closest to wrist. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): On the ridged rail the third retaining button head closest to elbow is to be painted grey or is a grey decal. · The boxes should sit against the forearm with minimal to no gap. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The seam between the forearm boxes and the forearm should not be filled. The top (elbow end) of the forearms should be trimmed in the correct TLJ shape TFA cut is not permissible. (Replace images with more accurate shape) Gloves/Handplates Are black with white palm, thumb and forefinger. Extend underneath the forearm. White area is made from leather or leather-like material. Handplates are rigid square boxes and the hand plates are mounted securely over the back of the glove. The recessed oval detail is aligned with the index finger of each hand. A black decal or paint may be used to emulate the recessed oval detail. ¨ OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Glove palm must have black stitching. Abdomen Section The abdomen section must wrap around the wearer's body without a visible seam. ·The abdomen has 7 boxes attached that match the order and placement shown against the armor. The large box has a small black recessed square on the lower left to the wearer. The second box to the right of the wearer has a small black recessed rectangle near the top. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The boxes should sit against the abdominal plate with minimal to no gaps. · OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The seams between the abdominal armor and the 7 boxes should not be filled. Codpiece The codpiece sits below the abdomen and under the belt. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ·TLJ correct cod is required. Must replace image with correct cod OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Posterior armor The posterior armor sits below the abdomen and under the belt. Belt The belt is ribbed and made from a rubber or a rubber like material. The width of the belt is approximately 2" (50mm). Five white rectangular boxes and one pouch sit on the belt. There are 2 horizontal boxes on the front, on each side of the center. They are painted white on the outside half and black on the inside half. There are 2 vertical boxes on the right of the wearer. There is a large vertical black pouch with a white cover behind the left side of the wearer. A small black cloth pouch is worn on the left side and hides the buckle or remaining belt material. Undersuit An undergarment must be worn such that the space between the thighs and the belt shows a black material. The black material may be shiny or matte. The reference photo shows the type used on screen but is not required for basic approval. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The shorts area of the undersuit should be shiny. Thighs There are seams on the inside and outside of the thighs. A clip greeblie is present high and across the outside seams of each thigh. The right outside thigh to the wearer includes a base for a holster (holster must be present). · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Holster must be shown to be Functional. Knee Gaskets Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. The knee gaskets must cover all exposed areas between the thigh and shin. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable. Knee Plates The knee plates mirror each other and are placed evenly between the thigh and the shin. Convex edge of knee plate faces upward. Shins There are seams on the inside and outside of the shins, with the opening on the inside. A clip greeblie is present high and across the outside seams of each shin. The wearer's left outside shin includes two vertical thin boxes that are seamless. There is a rounded rectangle at the bottom outer front of each shin, which is visible above the spat. The recessed area is black. Spats The spats wrap around the lower ankle, just below the black ankle rectangles. The spats are enclosed on the outside of the ankle with a greeblie that overlaps the open side. There is a visible seam on the inside of the ankle. Boots The boots are above-ankle height, and made of white leather or leather-like material. There is a seam down both sides of the front that swoops out to the side of the foot. There is a vertical zipper on the inside that spans the height of the boot. There is a black flat sole with no heel. No buckles or laces. Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use. Shoulder Pauldron A red, white, or black ornament made of rigid plastic or plastic-like material, worn over the right shoulder. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Must not be worn with riot baton or riot shield. Ammo Pouch One three slot German MP-40 style ammo pouch on the left shoulder. Pouch is black in color and made of canvas, leather or leather-like material. Pouch stitching must be black. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Ammo Vest Black cordura or cordura-type material covering the chest armor. There are two straps attached to the outer top edges of the vest, going around the shoulders to connect to clips on each side of the vest. An additional strap starts along the bottom of the vest and goes around the wearer. There are 5 ammo pouches present. There are 3 white plates mounted along the top of the 3 central ammo pouches. Straps are connected with quick disconnects (clips). There are additional fabric bands across each ammo pouch. The outer two ammo pouches have front flaps present and closed. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Strapping should match reference photo. When worn, riot baton and riot shield must not be present. Riot baton The baton has a white base with two black triangles on both sides, a silver pommel, black side grips, and a silver handle perpendicular to the base. The end of the base has an extension roughly 1 foot long with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. ·There is a black strip running down the center of both sides of the extension. At the end of the extension, there are two white half cylinder arms each with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. The end of the half-cylinders are angled at roughly 45 degrees. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Riot shield and riot baton must both be present. Pauldron, backpack, ammo pouches and ammo vest shall not be worn with riot baton/riot shield combination. F-11D Blaster Blaster may be scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. · Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos. Blaster may have a picatinny rail on right side of barrel Blaster may have sling attached. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Rear sight is painted black D-Ring shall be present on the rear end cap, rectangular in shape and painted white 3-D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Working lights and working front torch are required. Front handle must be movable. Blaster must have a picatinny rail on front side of barrel F-11D Blaster Rifle (Heavy) Blaster may be scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. Similar to standard F-11D Blaster with extended stock attached. Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos. Blaster may have a picatinny rail on right side of barrel OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Rear sight is painted white 3-D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): 3-D printed riot baton can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. Working lights and working front torch are required. Front handle must be movable. Blaster must have a picatinny rail on front side of barrel NEW Additions: Riot baton The baton has a white base with two black triangles on both sides,a silver pommel, black side grips, and a silver handle perpendicular to the base. The end of the base has an extension roughly 1 foot long with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. There is a black strip running down the center of both sides of the extension. At the end of the extension, there are two white half cylinder arms each with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. The end of the half-cylinders are angled at roughly 45 degrees. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): 3-D printed riot baton can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Riot shield and riot baton must both be present. Pauldron, backpack, ammo pouches and ammo vest shall not be worn with riot baton/shield combination. Baton should have working lights down length of both sides of the barrel, and top of rear housing, center of back triangle area. Electroprod Blaster Prod may be scratch-built or 3D printed. Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): There is a small tube that runs from half way up the shaft to the head. 3-D Electrprods can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Electroprod must have working lights, rows of red in top silver housing and blue in end prongs. First Order Hand binders. 1 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted June 20, 2022 Report Posted June 20, 2022 Just an FYI if you are reading this thread, proposals for changes will take place over in the Detachment Only General Discussion sections of our forums. Polls will be set up for membership input. https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/forum/35-detachment-only-general-discussion/ Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted June 23, 2022 Report Posted June 23, 2022 If we are updating the clips on the helmet, it make sense that we update the clips on the forearms, Biceps Thighs, shins and spats. Did i miss any? I think I will add these additions to the polls at basic level to save people having to run the risk of damage in removing them if they then decide to go for EI or Centurion. Does that sound reasonable? Quote
justjoseph63[Staff] Posted June 25, 2022 Report Posted June 25, 2022 On 6/23/2022 at 2:29 AM, Sly11 said: If we are updating the clips on the helmet, it make sense that we update the clips on the forearms, Biceps Thighs, shins and spats. Did i miss any? I think I will add these additions to the polls at basic level to save people having to run the risk of damage in removing them if they then decide to go for EI or Centurion. Does that sound reasonable? Absolutely. Saves any ambiguity when it's in black and white (or blue/red in this case). Quote
Ardeshir Radpour Posted October 26, 2022 Report Posted October 26, 2022 Hi everyone. Due to the nature of the NDA’s I of course was not allowed to take any pictures. But what I can tell you is this is pretty darn spot on what you guys have stayed here. I have extensive photos of my rogue one armor that I can’t post for a king time because it will affect my work. The rise of skywalker FOTK that I wore I only wore it once for a fitting because we were going to use them for Previz. But I never wore it again. They just gave us the helmets hahaha so I have a few photos of that. So here are my inputs. Helmet details are spot on. neck seal, there were two types. 11 rib and 8 rib neck seals. Zipper is worn front or back. There were two reasons why they were worn in the front, 1 because some pointed their heads down to see and therefore zipper was visible in rhe back. 2 the zipper was worn in the back and since they clothing tag it down to the under suit s lot of guys would take it off when undressing first break or lunch, and then put it on zipping it in the front. So either is acceptable. I cousins remember how they attached the chest to the back and yoke but sides were Velcro. shoulder bells bad the tab and it was metal but I don’t think they is necessary and I’ll explain it later. Tab can be any material. Since our kits are abs I highly recommend abs tabs. That’s what I’ve done Shoulder bells attached to bicep via a clip and forearms slid up. Picatinny rail moved box aside and you zipped up the forearms and box was velcroed down . gaskets were rubber silicon and for me I thought they were soft. They were trimmed in a fabric that protected them on the edges and an elastic back with a buckle in the front. Elbows and forearms were attached but we can separate them but they were attached via the elbow gasket Same with the legs. Thighs and shins were attached as well via gasket and spats were attached to shins but I didn’t see how. torso had a cross cross strap system that had a thin pad on it and torso zipper up the back. The thermal detonator and butt plate were attached by a webbing and came down the back and the belt pinned it down and buckled inside the pouch. the blasters I saw had many variations. Some didn’t have d rings. Some did and the rings were either black or white. I thought I saw one silver one but not sure. D ring plates were both silver and white. But there were quite a few black d rings. I think if we go white and white or silver and white ring or silver and black ring it’s good. Pistol I did not see gloves I could swear were the exact endor finders gloves and rhe hand plates had a deep groove in it. unfirtunately I didn’t have enough time to take other notes such as the boxes with black being cut out or not. It was my first day and just insane to be able to do this and I had planned on my second run to take more detailed notes and photos. However the pills on the chest I did see that they were cut out, but the box in the center of the chest, the black was painted in. And if I remember correctly the box on the wrist was painted or decal. Not one hundred percent sure. now on the overlaps, the thighs and biceps are overlaps. They are held in place by rubber bands. And they literally pry them open for you to get in. This can not be done in abs, our armor will crack. So this brings me to my next point. I hit the ground over 60 times in one day and nothing happened to my armor. It’s very thick polyurethane armor and very strong. So back to the shoulder bridge that’s why I don’t recommend metal. I contemplated leaving my biceps and thighs open and attaching a rubber material but I decided against it as the armor will crack when trooping and grow apart. The clips on the body armor were TFA clips rhat I saw while helmet clips are TLJ. Very weird. undersuit was a one piece and had shiny built in. But I heard there’s other sets with shiny shorts but couldn’t confirm it. Boots are exact imperial boots first order boots and they may get it from the same maker. I have my actual boots, neck seal, gloves and undersuit that I wore for the rogue one and clone trooper on kenobi. The gloves for the rogue one and clone are again exact gloves from Endor finders like the first order gloves and the boots for the first order snd rogue one and clones are the exact same boots. the thermal detonator is a separate piece screwed in to the back plate just like the clone and rogue one. The TD is hollow and it has a black pvc like tube that slides in. You can take it out but I don’t remember what kept it in. I’ve made my TD hollowed out and with the pvc tube and it is much lighter. Also on rhe other side of rhe tube I painted to match TFA: cod pieces are polyurethane so they flex but there are also rubber vids as well and shoulder bells and chest pieces for stunts. That’s why the cod is flexing in pics. holsters were actual functioning metal ones, the ones I saw. mall the armor parts are polyurethane and very thick and durable. the thighs are attached by two straps to the torso just like the rogue one armor except the rogue one armor had ribbing material to cover them. I didn’t notice that it n this armor. the torso had leather scallops and a front flat leather plate that held the belt and the cod piece. I noticed different shaped cod pieces by the way. and the notes on the cut pieces, yes w lot of times they are cut to fit the performer. We modified armor parts all day long and that’s why you see the different shapes and cute. Oh one more thing there were also foam thermal detonators and you could barely tell they were foam. They looked just like the regular ones. Same thing with the rogue one armor. They are for stunts. I didn’t see executioner axes or batans or prods . it’s pretty much the TLJ armor and if yuu want to enforce the different cut in forearms then you can. I have my rubber gaskets but they were only the actual rubber pieces and none of the finishing. It was quite nice what they had. I just got the rubber parts themselves. The TFA I know snapped in to place even on the torso. I couldn’t tell how because it was already assembled so I’m assuming Velcro. anyway those are my four notes. My armor is almost done. I’ve made some changes to it to function the way I prefer like using smaller shoulder to bicep buckles as well as the double buckles for the thighs attach to a belt and not the toro so. With abs I just think it’s too much torque on the armor and on a belt you get a lot more freedom. The torso attach puts too much tension and weight on abs but also shoulders. That’s it for now. 3 Quote
equuspolo[TK] Posted October 26, 2022 Report Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) I don’t know why it made me create an account but this is my actual account the other needs to not be used and I wont use it again so write me here Hi everyone. Due to the nature of the NDA’s I of course was not allowed to take any pictures. But what I can tell you is this is pretty darn spot on what you guys have stayed here. I have extensive photos of my rogue one armor that I can’t post for a king time because it will affect my work. The rise of skywalker FOTK that I wore I only wore it once for a fitting because we were going to use them for Previz. But I never wore it again. They just gave us the helmets hahaha so I have a few photos of that. So here are my inputs. Helmet details are spot on. neck seal, there were two types. 11 rib and 8 rib neck seals. Zipper is worn front or back. There were two reasons why they were worn in the front, 1 because some pointed their heads down to see and therefore zipper was visible in rhe back. 2 the zipper was worn in the back and since they clothing tag it down to the under suit s lot of guys would take it off when undressing first break or lunch, and then put it on zipping it in the front. So either is acceptable. I cousins remember how they attached the chest to the back and yoke but sides were Velcro. shoulder bells bad the tab and it was metal but I don’t think they is necessary and I’ll explain it later. Tab can be any material. Since our kits are abs I highly recommend abs tabs. That’s what I’ve done Shoulder bells attached to bicep via a clip and forearms slid up. Picatinny rail moved box aside and you zipped up the forearms and box was velcroed down . gaskets were rubber silicon and for me I thought they were soft. They were trimmed in a fabric that protected them on the edges and an elastic back with a buckle in the front. Elbows and forearms were attached but we can separate them but they were attached via the elbow gasket Same with the legs. Thighs and shins were attached as well via gasket and spats were attached to shins but I didn’t see how. torso had a cross cross strap system that had a thin pad on it and torso zipper up the back. The thermal detonator and butt plate were attached by a webbing and came down the back and the belt pinned it down and buckled inside the pouch. the blasters I saw had many variations. Some didn’t have d rings. Some did and the rings were either black or white. I thought I saw one silver one but not sure. D ring plates were both silver and white. But there were quite a few black d rings. I think if we go white and white or silver and white ring or silver and black ring it’s good. Pistol I did not see gloves I could swear were the exact endor finders gloves and rhe hand plates had a deep groove in it. unfirtunately I didn’t have enough time to take other notes such as the boxes with black being cut out or not. It was my first day and just insane to be able to do this and I had planned on my second run to take more detailed notes and photos. However the pills on the chest I did see that they were cut out, but the box in the center of the chest, the black was painted in. And if I remember correctly the box on the wrist was painted or decal. Not one hundred percent sure. now on the overlaps, the thighs and biceps are overlaps. They are held in place by rubber bands. And they literally pry them open for you to get in. This can not be done in abs, our armor will crack. So this brings me to my next point. I hit the ground over 60 times in one day and nothing happened to my armor. It’s very thick polyurethane armor and very strong. So back to the shoulder bridge that’s why I don’t recommend metal. I contemplated leaving my biceps and thighs open and attaching a rubber material but I decided against it as the armor will crack when trooping and grow apart. The clips on the body armor were TFA clips rhat I saw while helmet clips are TLJ. Very weird. undersuit was a one piece and had shiny built in. But I heard there’s other sets with shiny shorts but couldn’t confirm it. Boots are exact imperial boots first order boots and they may get it from the same maker. I have my actual boots, neck seal, gloves and undersuit that I wore for the rogue one and clone trooper on kenobi. The gloves for the rogue one and clone are again exact gloves from Endor finders like the first order gloves and the boots for the first order snd rogue one and clones are the exact same boots. the thermal detonator is a separate piece screwed in to the back plate just like the clone and rogue one. The TD is hollow and it has a black pvc like tube that slides in. You can take it out but I don’t remember what kept it in. I’ve made my TD hollowed out and with the pvc tube and it is much lighter. Also on rhe other side of rhe tube I painted to match TFA: cod pieces are polyurethane so they flex but there are also rubber vids as well and shoulder bells and chest pieces for stunts. That’s why the cod is flexing in pics. holsters were actual functioning metal ones, the ones I saw. mall the armor parts are polyurethane and very thick and durable. the thighs are attached by two straps to the torso just like the rogue one armor except the rogue one armor had ribbing material to cover them. I didn’t notice that it n this armor. the torso had leather scallops and a front flat leather plate that held the belt and the cod piece. I noticed different shaped cod pieces by the way. and the notes on the cut pieces, yes w lot of times they are cut to fit the performer. We modified armor parts all day long and that’s why you see the different shapes and cute. Oh one more thing there were also foam thermal detonators and you could barely tell they were foam. They looked just like the regular ones. Same thing with the rogue one armor. They are for stunts. I didn’t see executioner axes or batans or prods . it’s pretty much the TLJ armor and if yuu want to enforce the different cut in forearms then you can. I have my rubber gaskets but they were only the actual rubber pieces and none of the finishing. It was quite nice what they had. I just got the rubber parts themselves. The TFA I know snapped in to place even on the torso. I couldn’t tell how because it was already assembled so I’m assuming Velcro. anyway those are my four notes. My armor is almost done. I’ve made some changes to it to function the way I prefer like using smaller shoulder to bicep buckles as well as the double buckles for the thighs attach to a belt and not the toro so. With abs I just think it’s too much torque on the armor and on a belt you get a lot more freedom. The torso attach puts too much tension and weight on abs but also shoulders. That’s it for now. Edited October 26, 2022 by equuspolo 2 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted October 26, 2022 Report Posted October 26, 2022 Thank you for your insight Ardeshir, great to have some good reinforcing information on what we have been able to determine on this CRL upgrade. I can only assume the shoulder tab details was the same as TFA which is why we went that route, but I also can't see why it should matter what material they are made from as long as they are present (ABS or metal) builders discretion like strapping techniques. If you look closely on this screen used TFA asset, you will see that the tabs are actually double layered. Metal underneath for strength with a plastic top to disguise it as white part of the armour. No doubt it also helped to decrease rubbing damage or blackening of the contact area. 1 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted October 26, 2022 Report Posted October 26, 2022 Just now, equuspolo said: I don’t know why it made me create an account but this is my actual account the other needs to not be used and I wont use it again so write me here I thought you might be trying to use an alias 1 Quote
equuspolo[TK] Posted October 26, 2022 Report Posted October 26, 2022 39 minutes ago, Sly11 said: Thank you for your insight Ardeshir, great to have some good reinforcing information on what we have been able to determine on this CRL upgrade. I can only assume the shoulder tab details was the same as TFA which is why we went that route, but I also can't see why it should matter what material they are made from as long as they are present (ABS or metal) builders discretion like strapping techniques. If you look closely on this screen used TFA asset, you will see that the tabs are actually double layered. Metal underneath for strength with a plastic top to disguise it as white part of the armour. No doubt it also helped to decrease rubbing damage or blackening of the contact area. Correct. That’s what I saw. And the mmmmmmmm the rogue one and clone was wrapped in black cloth. It doesn’t matter what material. Just that the abs gives with abs where the metal doesn’t so the abs is what’s forced to give hence cracking Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted November 29, 2022 Report Posted November 29, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 9:07 AM, Sly11 said: TLJ/TroS This is currently what we are up to, we do need to go back through the many pages here and make sure we are including everything possible. Images required for shoulder tabs, correct blaster version for TroS with additional pic rail and anyu supportive images of changes we are looking to make. I feel this is all pretty straight forward and don't think there ewill be any push back from the LMO team. The plan from here will be to have this all settles for membership polling by end of April. Once polls open, we can move onto the next CRL update. White is existing text in the CRL Green is additions and corrections Red is what exists but requires change/removal or to suit TroS where needed. Helmet Lenses are smoky brown or gray in color. They may be bubble in shape or flat and must be sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. A single silver aerator/mic tip cylinder is on lower left side of the wearer's chin. The frown is solid black and covered in black hexagonal mesh that extends to the tears. Each tear (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) is solid black. Seven cut out tube stripe slots are on each side of the helmet. Two clip greeblies are present over the traps on the side. Two clip greebles are present on the top of the helmet, parallel to the trap greeblies. The clip greeblies must be the correct TLJ version. Along the base of the helmet a black stripe runs from the side of the helmet and across the back to the other side. There is a slight groove that circumvents circles the helmet above the brow. There is a slight grove that circumvents circles the helmet along the bottom and over the chin. A brow of solid black material spans from the traps over the lenses. Directly below the traps toward the base of the helmet is a small trapezoidal stripe. Mouth area is angled and has 7 teeth with mesh/grill behind. Neckseal Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area. The neck seal may close at the front or the rear. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The neck seal must close at the front using a zipper enclosure. Not sure about this one as it was seen both ways.Do we just go for a uniform look all one way???? Ideally, the neckseal shall have 11 ribs. · The neckseal has a glossy finish. Chest Plate The chest plate overlaps the abdominal plate. The center-top of the chest plate is recessed and black on the side and upward facing edges. A smaller clasp greeblie shall be present on each side of the chest, just inside a small indented area the size of the greeblie. There is a slight groove running vertical on each lateral side of the chest that angles toward the center. Six recessed black ovals are on the wearer's right side, left of the greeblie. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Grooves on sides of chest should show clear separation. Six recessed black ovals are cut out and backed with black material. Back/Yoke The back plate contains a "O II" design, and the O is black in color. ·There are no visible seams on the back/yoke. The yoke portion extends over the wearer's shoulders and curves under the armpits. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): A support tab extending from the outside top arch of the yoke shall be present. The support tab should be of a sturdy material, white in color. Need to include an image of the support tabs Thermal Detonator The thermal detonator mounting plate sits under the back plate and rests above the belt. The control panel is black. The right hand recessed end cape is black. The lefthand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is black all around the cylinder as well as the end surface. The left-hand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is all black. · There should be no visible seams A visible seam is permissible between the detonator assembly piece and the detonator mounting plate. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Small section of black around the base of the left extended end cap shall be present. The slot that runs across the top of the detonator shall have a black decal or be painted black at the bottom of the groove. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The end cap is part of an inner cylinder that slides into the detonator assembly. The cylinder is completely painted black. It is visible through the top grove and back window(control Panel) The slot that runs across the top of the detonator should be cut through so the inserted black cylinder is visible Shoulder Gaskets Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. The shoulder gaskets must cover all exposed areas under the shoulder bell, between the bicep and chest, and between bicep and back. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): · Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable. Shoulder Bells One on each shoulder. The shoulders are considered effectively symmetrical. They may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders. Shoulders have small round extension at the top under the bell itself that butts up against the yoke. } Biceps Biceps have one seam that faces forward, and a seam on the inside of the arm. The rest of the bicep must be seamless. A clip greeblie is present low and across the seam. Two black ovals are present on the outside-facing side of the · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Trapezoid detail and ridges in bicep must be present (small detailed section). The inner seam should be overlapped construction Seams can be fixed or functional. Elbow Gaskets Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. The elbow gaskets must cover all exposed areas between the bicep and forearm. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable Forearms Forearms shall have have ridged rail, similar to a picatinny, embedded on the inside of the forearm, roughly covered 1/3rd by a box shape. Forearms shall have a box on the bottom of the wrist end. Each box shall have a single black square in the lower inside corner. Each forearm shall have two 'clasp greeblies' on the outside facing surface, near the wrist. ·Detail box includes black rectangle on small edge perpendicular and closest to wrist. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): On the ridged rail the third retaining button head closest to elbow is to be painted grey or is a grey decal. · The boxes should sit against the forearm with minimal to no gap. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The seam between the forearm boxes and the forearm should not be filled. The top (elbow end) of the forearms should be trimmed in the correct TLJ shape TFA cut is not permissible. (Replace images with more accurate shape) Gloves/Handplates Are black with white palm, thumb and forefinger. Extend underneath the forearm. White area is made from leather or leather-like material. Handplates are rigid square boxes and the hand plates are mounted securely over the back of the glove. The recessed oval detail is aligned with the index finger of each hand. A black decal or paint may be used to emulate the recessed oval detail. ¨ OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Glove palm must have black stitching. Abdomen Section The abdomen section must wrap around the wearer's body without a visible seam. ·The abdomen has 7 boxes attached that match the order and placement shown against the armor. The large box has a small black recessed square on the lower left to the wearer. The second box to the right of the wearer has a small black recessed rectangle near the top. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The boxes should sit against the abdominal plate with minimal to no gaps. · OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The seams between the abdominal armor and the 7 boxes should not be filled. Codpiece The codpiece sits below the abdomen and under the belt. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ·TLJ correct cod is required. Must replace image with correct cod OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Posterior armor The posterior armor sits below the abdomen and under the belt. Belt The belt is ribbed and made from a rubber or a rubber like material. The width of the belt is approximately 2" (50mm). Five white rectangular boxes and one pouch sit on the belt. There are 2 horizontal boxes on the front, on each side of the center. They are painted white on the outside half and black on the inside half. There are 2 vertical boxes on the right of the wearer. There is a large vertical black pouch with a white cover behind the left side of the wearer. A small black cloth pouch is worn on the left side and hides the buckle or remaining belt material. Undersuit An undergarment must be worn such that the space between the thighs and the belt shows a black material. The black material may be shiny or matte. The reference photo shows the type used on screen but is not required for basic approval. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The shorts area of the undersuit should be shiny. Thighs There are seams on the inside and outside of the thighs. A clip greeblie is present high and across the outside seams of each thigh. The right outside thigh to the wearer includes a base for a holster (holster must be present). · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Holster must be shown to be Functional. Knee Gaskets Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. The knee gaskets must cover all exposed areas between the thigh and shin. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Gaskets shall be made of rubber. Fabric gaskets are not acceptable. Knee Plates The knee plates mirror each other and are placed evenly between the thigh and the shin. Convex edge of knee plate faces upward. Shins There are seams on the inside and outside of the shins, with the opening on the inside. A clip greeblie is present high and across the outside seams of each shin. The wearer's left outside shin includes two vertical thin boxes that are seamless. There is a rounded rectangle at the bottom outer front of each shin, which is visible above the spat. The recessed area is black. Spats The spats wrap around the lower ankle, just below the black ankle rectangles. The spats are enclosed on the outside of the ankle with a greeblie that overlaps the open side. There is a visible seam on the inside of the ankle. Boots The boots are above-ankle height, and made of white leather or leather-like material. There is a seam down both sides of the front that swoops out to the side of the foot. There is a vertical zipper on the inside that spans the height of the boot. There is a black flat sole with no heel. No buckles or laces. Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use. Shoulder Pauldron A red, white, or black ornament made of rigid plastic or plastic-like material, worn over the right shoulder. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Must not be worn with riot baton or riot shield. Ammo Pouch One three slot German MP-40 style ammo pouch on the left shoulder. Pouch is black in color and made of canvas, leather or leather-like material. Pouch stitching must be black. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Ammo Vest Black cordura or cordura-type material covering the chest armor. There are two straps attached to the outer top edges of the vest, going around the shoulders to connect to clips on each side of the vest. An additional strap starts along the bottom of the vest and goes around the wearer. There are 5 ammo pouches present. There are 3 white plates mounted along the top of the 3 central ammo pouches. Straps are connected with quick disconnects (clips). There are additional fabric bands across each ammo pouch. The outer two ammo pouches have front flaps present and closed. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Strapping should match reference photo. When worn, riot baton and riot shield must not be present. Riot baton The baton has a white base with two black triangles on both sides, a silver pommel, black side grips, and a silver handle perpendicular to the base. The end of the base has an extension roughly 1 foot long with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. ·There is a black strip running down the center of both sides of the extension. At the end of the extension, there are two white half cylinder arms each with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. The end of the half-cylinders are angled at roughly 45 degrees. · OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Riot shield and riot baton must both be present. Pauldron, backpack, ammo pouches and ammo vest shall not be worn with riot baton/riot shield combination. F-11D Blaster Blaster may be scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. · Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos. Blaster may have a picatinny rail on right side of barrel Blaster may have sling attached. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Rear sight is painted black D-Ring shall be present on the rear end cap, rectangular in shape and painted white 3-D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Working lights and working front torch are required. Front handle must be movable. Blaster must have a picatinny rail on front side of barrel F-11D Blaster Rifle (Heavy) Blaster may be scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. Similar to standard F-11D Blaster with extended stock attached. Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos. Blaster may have a picatinny rail on right side of barrel OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Rear sight is painted white 3-D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): 3-D printed riot baton can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. Working lights and working front torch are required. Front handle must be movable. Blaster must have a picatinny rail on front side of barrel NEW Additions: Riot baton The baton has a white base with two black triangles on both sides,a silver pommel, black side grips, and a silver handle perpendicular to the base. The end of the base has an extension roughly 1 foot long with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. There is a black strip running down the center of both sides of the extension. At the end of the extension, there are two white half cylinder arms each with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. The end of the half-cylinders are angled at roughly 45 degrees. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): 3-D printed riot baton can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Riot shield and riot baton must both be present. Pauldron, backpack, ammo pouches and ammo vest shall not be worn with riot baton/shield combination. Baton should have working lights down length of both sides of the barrel, and top of rear housing, center of back triangle area. Electroprod As seen in TroS Only Blaster Prod may be scratch-built or 3D printed. Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): There is a small tube that runs from half way up the shaft to the head. 3-D Electrprods can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Electroprod must have working lights, rows of red in top silver housing and blue in end prongs. First Order Hand binders. Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted November 29, 2022 Report Posted November 29, 2022 We need images of the TroS version of the F11D for that last section of this CRL update. Something that shows the difference that are presented in the text. I am almost done with preparing the new images for the changes and replacement of the CRL model with a much better representation. I am aiming to have the last of the images prepared by this week end, so if anyone has appropriate blaster , please get some photos and send them through to me. Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted December 1, 2022 Report Posted December 1, 2022 CRL Upgrade additions to be made shortly. New CRL Model Image at top Back Yoke Addition of support tabs image Thermal Detonator OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Small section of black around the base of the left extended end cap shall be present. The slot that runs across the top of the detonator shall have a black decal or be painted black at the bottom of the groove. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The end cap is part of an inner cylinder that slides into the detonator assembly. The cylinder is completely painted black. It is visible through the top grove and back window(control Panel) The slot that runs across the top of the detonator should be cut through so the inserted black cylinder is visible Biceps The inner seam should be overlapped construction Forearms OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): On the ridged rail the third retaining button head closest to elbow is to be painted grey or is a grey decal. · The boxes should sit against the forearm with minimal to no gap. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): The seam between the forearm boxes and the forearm should not be filled. The top (elbow end) of the forearms should be trimmed in the correct TLJ shape TFA cut is not permissible. On the ridged rail the third retaining button head closest to the elbow is a Hex bolt approximately 5mm head width. Decals or paint are not permissible. (Replace images with more accurate shape) F11-D Blaster changed from TFA to correct TLJ/Tros (New Images) Blaster may be scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. · Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos. Blaster may have a picatinny rail on right side of barrel Blaster may have sling attached. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Rear sight is painted black D-Ring shall be present on the rear end cap, rectangular in shape and painted white 3-D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Working lights and working front torch are required. Front handle must be movable. Blaster must have a picatinny rail on front side of barrel (Requires Heavy version images so will only be changed once we have them) F-11D Blaster Rifle (Heavy) Blaster may be scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. Similar to standard F-11D Blaster with extended stock attached. Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos. Blaster may have a picatinny rail on right side of barrel OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Rear sight is painted white 3-D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): 3-D printed riot baton can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. Working lights and working front torch are required. Front handle must be movable. Blaster must have a picatinny rail on front side of barrel NEW Additions: Riot baton The baton has a white base with two black triangles on both sides,a silver pommel, black side grips, and a silver handle perpendicular to the base. The end of the base has an extension roughly 1 foot long with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. There is a black strip running down the center of both sides of the extension. At the end of the extension, there are two white half cylinder arms each with 5 silver bands equally spaced apart. The end of the half-cylinders are angled at roughly 45 degrees. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): 3-D printed riot baton can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Riot shield and riot baton must both be present. Pauldron, backpack, ammo pouches and ammo vest shall not be worn with riot baton/shield combination. Baton should have working lights down length of both sides of the barrel, and top of rear housing, center of back triangle area. Electroprod TroS ONLY not other weapons to be carried Blaster Prod may be scratch-built or 3D printed. Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): There is a small tube that runs from half way up the shaft to the head. 3-D Electrprods can not contain visible print lines, and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Electroprod must have working lights, rows of red in top silver housing and blue in end prongs. (include Image) Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted December 1, 2022 Report Posted December 1, 2022 List of new Images, for CRL update: Model front & Rear (background removed and ready) Helmet Front and Side (background removed and ready) Shoulder Tab image (background removed and ready) New Forearm compilation (background removed and ready) Elbow gasket (background removed and ready) TLJ Thermal det compilation (background removed and ready) TLJ F11D L & R side images (background removed and ready) Electro prod (background removed and ready) Additional to be added at a later date Image gallery tab added with more detailed images of various parts 1 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted December 3, 2022 Report Posted December 3, 2022 I'm looking to close out on this over the weekend (already Saturday afternoon here) Do we have the info or estimate size type of the bolt used on the Pic rail on the TLJ Fore arm. I'm thinking it would make a good finishing touch for those at Centurion only. Other levels would stay as painted or decal Quote
TheRascalKing[TK] Posted December 3, 2022 Report Posted December 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Sly11 said: Do we have the info or estimate size type of the bolt used on the Pic rail on the TLJ Fore arm. To my knowledge, it's an M5 dome-head hex bolt. 1 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted December 3, 2022 Report Posted December 3, 2022 I know I have the info somewhere but buggered if i can find it I am positive I even have a clear close up image of it!!! Additional wording to the CRL to cover this point Level 3 On the ridged rail the third retaining button head closest to the elbow is a Hex bolt approximately 5mm head width. Decals or paint are not permissible. Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted December 3, 2022 Report Posted December 3, 2022 CRL unlock requested, I'll be busy getting this completed over the next day. If anyone has any last minute input, please add now. Once complete and LMO approved we shall announce it and also provide the 3 month grace period for anyone currently building. It will be left up to the individual to complete their costume to the current version or indeed grab the bull by the horns and build to the new update. The DO team will monitor this and have a copy of both CRL's on hand in their section of the forums. New CRL reference sheets will be made available in due course. I will speak to Wingnut (Jeff ) about creating new versions to suit for EI and Centurion to replace the existing versions available in the First Order Battle group area under the CRL's and and Checklist Quick access section. 1 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted December 3, 2022 Report Posted December 3, 2022 CRL updated except for issues with shared templates across a couple of costumes and detachments. These will be discussed with the LMO team when they are available. 1 Quote
ionicdesign[IPM] Posted December 3, 2022 Report Posted December 3, 2022 9 hours ago, Sly11 said: CRL updated except for issues with shared templates across a couple of costumes and detachments. These will be discussed with the LMO team when they are available. PM replied to. I am happy to assist with the refinements when you're able, thanks. 1 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted December 3, 2022 Report Posted December 3, 2022 5 hours ago, ionicdesign said: PM replied to. I am happy to assist with the refinements when you're able, thanks. Thank you for your assistance Michael, i appreciate all your help. New sections created for specific changes that were on shared templates. ( no longer shared) This CRL update will be completed shortly. 1 Quote
gmrhodes13[Staff] Posted December 12, 2022 Report Posted December 12, 2022 I realize we have finished with this round of TLJ/TROS CRL updates but for now I will add any new info here so it's not lost. One item I hadn't added previously was the F-11D rear sight, it changes after TFA (although we do see the odd different blaster in TLJ and TROS and even on some promo images, majority have the rounded sight) TFA Angular sight TLJ Rounded sight TROS Rounded sight The Heavy F-11D didn't change and still used the TFA Angular sight (perhaps as not many were used between the movies) TROS Picatinny screws aren't mentioned in the CRL. Also position of picatinny rail on barrel is mid barrel We also didn't add the two holes in top of the barrel or no cocking lever but has a slot for one. Promo image was different to majority of F-11D's used in TLJ and TROS, has black D ring, picatinny rail further forward on barrel and angular rear sight, no cocking lever or slot, no extra holes in top of barrel TROS 2 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted December 13, 2022 Report Posted December 13, 2022 So I am clear, the TLJ had the white rear D ring and the TroS had the Black? I think this will get very confusing as currently the only difference we are stating for TRoS is the Electro Prod. This means we need two complete references for the F11-D with different rear sights and different D rings so effectively an addition to the CRL and clearly stating F11-D TLJ and F11-D TroS. The rear sight is a solid difference between the two. Would also need photos for a fleshed out gallery because the small front end photos make that a hard sell. Considering its only our higher levels, I am less inclined to create confusion as I'd wager members will carry whichever they choose,because those details are so small. There are also variations that appeared across both films of what you mentioned above and we need to steer clear of those and focus on the most common. Things like the Pic rail which is a major stand out difference, was a good addition that separated us one step from the TFA version Armour parts to me are more relevant which we have closed off on but in saying all this, I think we can probably create a separate post down the track after the Holiday period. 1 Quote
gmrhodes13[Staff] Posted December 13, 2022 Report Posted December 13, 2022 Lets see if I can explain it a little clearer, the majority of TLJ and TROS used the same blasters, so no confusion there. The majority of both TLJ and TROS had white D rings (as can be seen in the picture below), which we can see from production and behind the scenes photos, also they had no cocking lever (the slot on right side) and also the 2 extra holes in the top of the barrel and rounded sight. BUT there are a couple of TFA style blasters that do come up in both TLJ and TROS, they have black D rings, cocking lever on the left side and no extra holes in the top of the barrel and angular sight ( a few other fined details too). These are the oddities in the movies and not the norm/generalized appearance we try for in CRL's, they were also used in the TROS standee images. So question would be do we keep the norm/general detailed blaster for CRL requirements or do we allow "variants" for higher level. To me it's like the "Mr No Stripes" we know it was there but we it's not allowed as a variant for that CRL. 2 Quote
Sly11[Admin] Posted December 14, 2022 Report Posted December 14, 2022 I'm happy to steer clear of the small variations or lets call them anomalies, like as you mentioned, Mr No stripes. Clear differentiating points between each film that are represented frequently are our best bet for the norm. We have one such point with the pic rail to separate TFA to TLJ, so the rear sight, no groove and cocking lever gives us a few more. I think that's pretty solid. Personally, I'd leave the anomalies from TFA out of it for the same simplicity sake as we do with armour. 1 Quote
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