TLJTK CRL Discussion

[ukswrath[Staff]]

Alright troopers this will be the official TLJ Stormtrooper discussion thread where all things related will be discussed and reviewed for the new CRL/s. 

The wiki entry when complete for the CRL is here: https://origin-wiki.501st.com/databank/TK_TLJ_Executioner

 

 

NOTE: this is a blending of the proposed CRL sent to FISD by Luis, Christopher Gutirrez (kitgutierrez) and others of the Philippine Garrison who have done excellent work creating this costume, and also from gmrhodes13/Q/Glen from Perth, Australia.

 

FYI that Kit has already submitted the costume to the LMO via the GML area for approval.

 

Helmet
For 501st approval:
- Lenses are smoky brown or gray in color. They may be bubble in shape or flat and must be sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes.
- A single silver aerator/mic tip cylinder is on lower left side of the wearer's chin.
- The frown is solid black and covered in black hexagonal mesh that extends to the tears
- Each tear (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) is solid black
- Seven cut out tube stripe slots are on each side of the helmet
- Two clip greeblies are present over the traps on the side
- Two clip greebles are present on the top of the helmet, parallel to the trap greeblies
- Along the base of the helmet a black stripe runs from the side of the helmet and across the back to the other side.
- There is a slight groove that circumvents the helmet above the brow
- There is a slight grove that circumvents the helmet along the bottom and over the chin
- A brow of solid black material spans from the traps over the lenses
- Directly below the traps toward the base of the helmet is a small trapezoidal stripe.
- The frown is solid black and has seven teeth, with black mesh behind.  The mesh is hexagonal and extends to the tears.

- There is a slight groove on the side that starts from the solid black brow and goes over the traps and ends on the black strip along the base.

- There is a matte black stripe which covers about 1/3 of the helmet’s right side which extends from the solid black brow infront to the black strip along
the base at the back. Termination of this matte black stripe on the side is the slight groove going over the traps.

Neckseal
For 501st approval:
- Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area.

Chest Plate
For 501st approval:
- The chest plate overlaps the abdominal plate
- The center-top of the chest plate is recessed and black on the side and upward facing edges.
- A smaller clasp greeblie shall be present on each side of the chest, just inside a small indented area the size of the greeblie.
- There is a slight groove running vertical on each lateral side of the chest that angles toward the center
- Six recessed black ovals are on the wearer's right side, left of the greeblie.

 
Back/Yoke
For 501st approval:
- The back plate contains a "O II" design where the O is black
- The back/yoke is one seamless piece
- The yoke portion extends over the wearer's shoulders and curves under the armpits
- The yoke is painted matte black.

 
Thermal Detonator
For 501st approval:
- The thermal detonator mounting plate sits under the back plate and rests above the belt.
- The control panel is black.
- The righthand recessed end cape is black.
- The lefthand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is all black.
- There should be no visible seams.

 
Shoulder Gaskets
For 501st approval:
- Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges
- The shoulder gaskets must cover all exposed areas under the shoulder bell, between the bicep and chest, and between bicep and back.

Shoulder Bells
For 501st approval:
- One on each shoulder.
- The shoulders are considered effectively symmetrical. They may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders.
- Shoulders have small round extension at the top under the bell itself that butts up against the yoke.
- Shoulders are matte black.
- There is a light grey, approximately 2.5 inch wide First Order Cog present on each shoulder bell.  This may be painted or a decal.

 
Biceps
For 501st approval:
- Biceps has one seam on the side that faces forward.

- A clip greeblie is present low and across the seam
- There is a seam or an overlap at the inside facing side of the bicep
- Two black ovals are present on the outside facing side of the bicep

Elbow Gaskets
For 501st approval:
- Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges
- The elbow gaskets must cover all exposed areas between the bicep and forearm

Forearms
For 501st approval:
- Forearms shall have ridged rail, similar to a picatinny, embedded on the inside of the forearm, roughly covered 1/3rd by a box shape.
- Forearms shall have a box on the bottom the wrist end. Each box shall have a single black square in the lower inside corner.
- Each forearm shall have two 'clasp greeblies' on the outside facing surface, near the wrist.
- Detail box includes black rectangle on small edge perpendicular and closest to wrist.

 
Gloves/Handplates
For 501st approval:
- Are black with white palm, thumb and forefinger.
- Extend underneath the forearm.
- White area is made from leather or leather-like material.
- Handplates are rigid square boxes and the hand plates are mounted securely over the back of the glove.
- The black oval detail is aligned with the index finger of each hand.

Abdomen Section
For 501st approval:
- The abdomen section must wrap around the wearer's body without a visible seam.
- The abdomen has 7 boxes attached that matches the order and placement shown and sit flush against the armor.
- The large box has a small black recessed square to on the lower left to the wearer.
- The second box to the right of the wearer has a small black recessed rectangle near the top.

 
Codpiece
For 501st approval:
- The codpeice sits below the abdomen and under the belt.

 
Posterior armor
For 501st approval:
- The posterior armor sits below the abdomen and under the belt.
- The top portion of the part shown is hidden by the belt and used to connect the plate to the abdomen armor.

Belt
For 501st approval:
- The belt is ribbed and made from a rubber or a rubber like material.
- Five white rectangular boxes and one pouch sit on the belt.
- There are 2 horizontal boxes on the front, on each side of the center. They are painted white on the outside half and black on the inside half.
- There are 2 vertical boxes on the right of the wearer.
- There is a large vertical black pouch with a white cover behind the left side of the wearer.
- A small black cloth pouch is worn on the left side and hides the buckle or remaining belt material.

Undersuit
For 501st approval:
- An undergarment must be worn such that the space between the thighs and the belt shows a black material. The black material may be shiny or matte.
- The reference photo shows the type used on screen but is not required for basic approval.

 
Thighs
For 501st approval:
- There are seams on the inside and outside of the thighs.
- A clip greeblie is present high and across the outside seams of each thigh.
- The right outside thigh (to the wearer) includes a base for a holster.

 
Knee Gaskets
For 501st approval:
- Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges
- The knee gaskets must cover all exposed areas between the thigh and shin

 
Knee Plates
For 501st approval:
- The knee plates mirror each other and are placed evenly between the thigh and the shin.
- Convex edge of knee plate faces upward.

 
Shins
For 501st approval:
- There are seams on the inside and outside of the shins, with the opening on the inside.
- A clip greeblie is present high and across the outside seams of each shin.
- The wearer's left outside shin includes two vertical thin boxes that are seamless.
- There is a small black recessed rectangle at the bottom outside front of the shins.

Spats
For 501st approval:
- The spats wrap around the lower ankle, just below the black ankle rectangles.
- The spats are enclosed on the outside of the ankle with a greeblie that overlaps the open side.
- There is a visible seam on the inside of the ankle.

 
Boots
For 501st approval:
- The boots are above ankle height and made of white leather or leather-like material.
- There is a seam down both sides of the front that swoops out to the side of the foot.
- There is a vertical zipper on the inside that spans the height of the boot.
- There is a black flat sole with no heel.
- No buckles or laces.

Optional Accessories 

Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below.
 
First Order Stormtrooper Laser Ax
For 501st approval:
- Scratch-built or a 3D printed laser ax.
- Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos.

[heartstopper85[TK]]

Isn't it just the bucket that's changed? The sloppy overlaps I've seen on Topps card etc just look like stunt version imo

[ukswrath[Staff]]

No, TD has changed slightly also

[CrookKnight[TK]]

No, TD has changed slightly also

This should be interesting as this is what I want to build. I have armor coming from mimic and supposedly episode 8 bucket. Hopefully the armor didn't change so much that I cannot change it.

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[heartstopper85[TK]]

MIMIC's kit won't be coming with a bucket, he will be offering it much later down the road. I know I sent him all FOTK ref pics I took from Power of costume.

 

Shouldn't be hard to mod, I think the big pieces are generally the same.

 

The Cod piece I've heard debated as different, but with that super flexible rubber they use on the movie suits who actually knows.

 

Might help to do side by side pictures, I'll have to photoshop some stuff when I'm on my home computer

[tkrestonva[TK]]

Other than the longer extended part on the Executioner, what exactly about the TD changed?

[ukswrath[Staff]]

18 minutes ago, tkrestonva said:

Other than the longer extended part on the Executioner, what exactly about the TD changed?

That's about it that I'm aware of.

[MStalkid[TK]]

Watching this with EXTREME interest. I know that there is already a set of CRL's being formulated also for the Executioner: https://databank.501st.com/databank/TK_TLJ_Executioner

 

Also from another Executioner build thread from Daetrin;

https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/42806-executioner-stormtrooper-build-jimmiroquai-set/?do=findComment&comment=574668

Edited September 20, 2017 by MStalkid

[ukswrath[Staff]]

Yes, the developing CRLs are not available to everyone as you've mentioned. This thread gives access to all who are interested in the latest information, discuss up and coming changes, post photos for possible use in the CRL, etc, etc. Daetrin should be along soon to spear head the discussion.  

 

[MStalkid[TK]]

Just now, ukswrath said:

Yes, the developing CRLs are not available to everyone as you've mentioned. This thread gives access to all who are interested in the latest information, discuss up and coming changes, post photos for possible use in the CRL, etc, etc. Daetrin should be along soon to spear head the discussion.  

 

Ah perfect! Just thought it was worth mentioning =]

[ukswrath[Staff]]

Clarification, some CRL discussions or decisions are not available to everyone, so yea  

[MStalkid[TK]]

12 minutes ago, ukswrath said:

Clarification, some CRL discussions or decisions are not available to everyone, so yea  

I understand  I just get excited over TLJ CRL's. Going to be my first approved 501st kit when they hit

 

So back on topic then:

If the Executioner armor is just a recolored TLJ TK (which is looking like is more and more the case) I would say the left side of the TD being longer, The helmet and possibly the cod piece are the three main ones I can see and I know have been in discussion. Soft parts look the same as well as gloves and boots. But I definitely don't have the trained eye of most on here!

[CrookKnight[TK]]

MIMIC's kit won't be coming with a bucket, he will be offering it much later down the road. I know I sent him all FOTK ref pics I took from Power of costume.
 
Shouldn't be hard to mod, I think the big pieces are generally the same.
 
The Cod piece I've heard debated as different, but with that super flexible rubber they use on the movie suits who actually knows.
 
Might help to do side by side pictures, I'll have to photoshop some stuff when I'm on my home computer

According to MIMIC, when I placed my order the bucket is coming within 4 weeks of the armor.

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[CrookKnight[TK]]

MIMIC's kit won't be coming with a bucket, he will be offering it much later down the road. I know I sent him all FOTK ref pics I took from Power of costume.
 
Shouldn't be hard to mod, I think the big pieces are generally the same.
 
The Cod piece I've heard debated as different, but with that super flexible rubber they use on the movie suits who actually knows.
 
Might help to do side by side pictures, I'll have to photoshop some stuff when I'm on my home computer

I just talked with mimic. His episode 8 bucket will be ready within a few weeks of the armor.

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[heartstopper85[TK]]

I thought you had to order bucket seperate? Wasn't expecting it to come with this order. I owe him more if that's the case

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[Daetrin[Admin]]

FYI, we are not asking for drafts for the full CRL.  We are only asking what you think will need changing from the base FOTK.  I'll update the first post with the current CRL for the FOTK and the proposed changes for the TLJ Executioner in moments.

[JAFO[TK]]

Isn't the general consensus that the First Order insignia on the shoulder bells is light grey rather than silver?

[Kit Gutierrez[TK]]

Hi! I'm Kit Gutierrez, TK44840 of the Philippine Garrison, author of the CRL draft above (although i think this was already revised based on fellow troopers' inputs) and owner of the Executioner armor (where the CRL i drafted was based on)

 

Just wanna thank you for adding us in this thread. Let us know, me and the Philippine Garrison, on how else we can help in finalizing this CRL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

1 hour ago, kitgutierrez said:

Hi! I'm Kit Gutierrez, TK44840 of the Philippine Garrison, author of the CRL draft above (although i think this was already revised based on fellow troopers' inputs)

Yes I already submitted the CRL draft for Executioner some time ago

 

[Kit Gutierrez[TK]]

7 minutes ago, gmrhodes13 said:

Yes I already submitted the CRL draft for Executioner some time ago

 

Same here Glenn. If im not mistaken, our GML, Luis Arambulo, submitted Sept. 5, 2017. Thanks for your additional input!

[MStalkid[TK]]

For the general TLJ TK, I noticed you had in green (green Im assuming is changes?) on the bicep about the greeblie across the seam. Isn't that standard already for FOTK? Or did the standard TLJ take it away and the Executioner have it? I apologize i dont have the references in front of me. It might be beneficial to denote what is a generic TLJTK changes (helmet etc.) Vs Executioner  (paint etc.) 

[Kit Gutierrez[TK]]

3 hours ago, JAFO said:

Isn't the general consensus that the First Order insignia on the shoulder bells is light grey rather than silver?

Hi @JAFO! yes i believe my original entry in my CRL draft stated that the First Order cog is light gray. I agree with you!  

 

my mistake in my original entry is i pegged the cog at 3".

 

This was before i did the standee-photoshop analysis below:

 

"To anyone building the Executioner from Ep8, here's what i did to determine the actual size of the First Order emblem on the shoulder bells:
So i remembered i had a photo with the executioner standee during Force Friday. I did a perspective crop from top of bucket to heel. Resized image to 72" or 6ft (the official average height of stormtroopers... then measured the emblem. Its 2.5".

But, I think, depending on your set, you could just go for the right proportion of the logo to your set's shoulder bells as compared to the proportion shown in official images. I think this could be a range of 2.25 to 2.75.. or even 3. The 2.5" is just the size based on the official standee made to be 6'."

 

 

 

 

 

Jimmiroquai's shoulder bells are a bit wide so i honestly think 2.5" is a bit small for his set. The bells on the standee, i think, are narrower than Jim's.

[Kit Gutierrez[TK]]

18 minutes ago, MStalkid said:

For the general TLJ TK, I noticed you had in green (green Im assuming is changes?) on the bicep about the greeblie across the seam. Isn't that standard already for FOTK? Or did the standard TLJ take it away and the Executioner have it? I apologize i dont have the references in front of me. It might be beneficial to denote what is a generic TLJTK changes (helmet etc.) Vs Executioner  (paint etc.) 

Hi @MStalkid!

 

the original FOTK CRL states:

 

Biceps
For 501st approval:

-Biceps have only one seam on the side that faces forward. The rest of the bicep must be seamless. 

-A clip greeblie is present low and across the seam

-Two black ovals are present on the outside facing side of the bicep

 

This is my entry in my original submission:

Biceps


For 501st approval:

·      Biceps has one seam on the side that faces forward. A clip greeblie is present low and across the seam
.*

·      There is a seam or an overlap at the inside facing side of the bicep

·      Two black ovals are present on the outside facing side of the bicep 

 

*I just highlighted the whole entry "Biiceps has one seam on the side that faces forward. A clip greeblie is present low and across the seam
." green because i changed the first sentence. But yes you are right, the greeblie across the seam is standard already for FOTK.

 

everything that i have highlighted in green in my CRL draft are all entry changes specifically to the exceutioner.  

Edited September 21, 2017 by kitgutierrez
updated info

[Daetrin[Admin]]

OK, so I updated the shoulder bell to give some room there. Also, lmk if the bicep description keeping it in two parts is readable better that way.

 

As Kit noted, all changes to the base FOTK are in green.

[gmrhodes13[Staff]]

On ‎21‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 1:51 AM, ukswrath said:

NOTE: this is a blending of the proposed CRL sent to FISD by Luis, Christopher Gutirrez (kitgutierrez) and others of the Philippine Garrison who have done excellent work creating this costume, and also from gmrhodes13/Q/Glen from Perth, Australia.

 

FYI that Kit has already submitted the costume to the LMO via the GML area for approval.

I also submitted mine for approval

 

Edited September 21, 2017 by gmrhodes13