The types of R1 Armor and where they are going

[Lichtbringer]

Michael this isn't about forcing members to have more logins and passwords for websites

 

It´s not about forcing, but that´s the result.

 

I once had a login for MEPD, but it was not that interesting to go there regulary, and so i forgot my password over time. I would prefer them to stay here, so i don´t need to recreate a account there.

[Fraulein]

Thanks for the invite to the thread. It's been a long time since I have posted. (in fact several posts don't even exist anymore 0_0! )

 

I will say before R1 came out and I saw images of the troopers, I was apprehensive about any troopers being added to the MEPD.
But the more screen grabs and source material presented,I changed my mind.
​I now believe that the R1 Jedha trooper should belong to the MEPD.

​I wrote down a short list of things that make a TK and a TD different at first glance. They are dirt, pack, pauldron and knee plate. While the R1 Jedha troop does not have the knee plate, they might be mistaken by the average viewer as a sandtrooper.

​There have been some instances at a troop when one of our TK Commanders has been mistaken as a TD because of the pauldron.

​Perhaps the ANH TD is an evolution of the R1 TK. They are troopers that have been at their outpost in the outer rim territories, so far away from their FOB, they may not have the convenience of replacing parts broken or lost, right away.








 

[Dutchy[501st]]

@Dark CMF, I'm happy to read that it makes sense, my point of view regarding the HWT vs. Kyber trooper.

 

And where to go from here, well I'll touch base with Daetrin about the next step and create a realistic timeline for this. Also I'll have a chat with my XO.

 

@ Deatrin, kudos for you for running such a fine detachment of troopers that know how to conversate and to keep it neat.

 

@ all FISD members that read this, please do pay our detachment a visit from time to time.

Even though it seems slower compared to the FISD( 1 armor vs a lot can make a difference in forum traffic).\

 

[AngryEwok[501st]]

This has been an interesting thread to read through. Someone correct me if my history is wrong, but weren't the sandtroopers assembled and shot in Tunisia several weeks before the stormtroopers were assembled and filmed at Elstree? And this is why the sandtrooper helmet and armor has fewer details, generally speaking, when compared to the stormtrooper? I've always considered the absence of those details to be what made a sandtrooper more than just a stormtrooper with a backpack, pauldron, and a layer of dirt. I know the greater interest here has been trying to make sense of the canon... but to me, sandtroopers are those dudes in Tunisia in '76.

[The5thHorseman[501st]]

This has been an interesting thread to read through. Someone correct me if my history is wrong, but weren't the sandtroopers assembled and shot in Tunisia several weeks before the stormtroopers were assembled and filmed at Elstree? And this is why the sandtrooper helmet and armor has fewer details, generally speaking, when compared to the stormtrooper? I've always considered the absence of those details to be what made a sandtrooper more than just a stormtrooper with a backpack, pauldron, and a layer of dirt. I know the greater interest here has been trying to make sense of the canon... but to me, sandtroopers are those dudes in Tunisia in '76.

Yes, that's what I was saying about why the OT sandtroopers have different details to the OT stormtroopers. The issue is that nowadays this is something that would never happen again. The general idea for people not crazy about SW is that a sandtrooper is just a stormtrooper with extra gear, hence why, in my opinion, they didn't bother recreating these small details of the OT sandtroopers for the R1 sandtroopers. They just started from the R1 stormtroopers and added the extra gear to achieve the look. If only they had known about the mess they were leaving behind for us...!

[ukswrath[Staff]]

 If only they had known about the mess they were leaving behind for us...!

 

lol RIGHT!?

[AngryEwok[501st]]

We come to a different conclusion, is all. I don't think the MEPD should get the Jedha CRL for the same reason (I assume) they don't acknowledge the Special Edition sandtrooper in their CRL and didn't want the HWT: these three are clearly just stormtroopers with accessories, and not the very unique '76 Tunisia armor.

[Colin1138[TK]]

Here's a thought( more an academic query as it's not gonna affect anything anyways)...putting aside the real world reasons for the different knee,ab, etc...were Sandies originally intended to just be Stormies with mission specific gear? IE..not specialised environment troopers like Snowies. I know the toys came up with the name Sandtrooper and the old EU made up stuff about specislised armour with built in cooling systems etc..but my head canon slways maintained Sandies are just Regular TKs who are stationed on a butthole planet with specisl gear..not a specialised trooper at all. I mean..FO dude in the Jakku market with backpack is not thought of as a Sandie is he?

 

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[Daetrin[Admin]]

Yes, originally what are now called sandtroopers were simply deployed stormtroopers. After the filming on Tunisia, the sniper plate, TD, drop boxes, and ab plate cover were added. Besides dirt those are really the only 4 differences.

 

In theory you could also say that FISD is meant to be clean configured TKs and MEPD the home of deployed troopers. This is why - again in theory - if it were done all over again, the HWT and both types of dirty/packed R1 TKs would be on MEPD, and FISD would simply be non-deployed TKs. Or, there would never have been an MEPD. But since we have an MEPD, and since MEPD is working to change their charter from only having ANH deployed TKs to include R1 and EU deployed TKs, hence the question on having the those 3 costumes move to MEPD.

 

See my more recent post on really this comes down to MEPD proving to the current HWT's that they will be just as welcome and nurtured there as they've been here.

[CrookKnight[TK]]

All in all, it does not bother me if it is MEPD or FISD as long as I can wear it.

 

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[LoveMonkey[501st]]

We come to a different conclusion, is all. I don't think the MEPD should get the Jedha CRL for the same reason (I assume) they don't acknowledge the Special Edition sandtrooper in their CRL and didn't want the HWT: these three are clearly just stormtroopers with accessories, and not the very unique '76 Tunisia armor.

 

I think this comment again goes back to several years ago and what I'm assuming was the mindset back then.  We are very keen on expanding our CRLs.

 

Just so everyone is aware, MEPD is working on a CRL for the Special Edition trooper.  How do I know? I'm the command staff member working on the initial draft and the wording while we get pictures to make it official.  So keep an eye out for at least a partial draft coming soon.

[magni[TK]]

This subject keeps making me view it from different angles. Being a HWT I wonder why we keep getting brought up in a R1 thread? Now this is my view and sorry in advance.<br>

First off HWT is a TK variant. Nothing to do with a TD. Period. So no thought of going back to a place that pretty much had it handed to them and they closed the door. FISD takes it in and it grows up big and now MEPD wants it? Pass. Speaking of variant, isn't a TD just one of a TK? Same as a Commander or Magma? Why aren't we just absorbing them and calling it a day? For years they pigeonholed themselves and now realize they need to expand. They have an SE they could do. Yet nothing. How can they stay Mos Eisley and expand? That would be confusing to recruits for sure. I honestly keep coming back that it should all be under FISD. We're doing all this back and forth for a detachment of one costume. If they were brand new they would slide in the CRL list right between the HWT and the Commander. Right? Again my thoughts and wanted to get it out there.

[iconoclasta_88[501st]]

Very Interesting read. 

There is not much I think I can add, since I am one of those older TDs who didn't wanted the HWT or the SE TD on the MEPD... But things have changed. It is not 2005 anymore. We need to evolve as Justus has stated! 

Just one thing here that might make it easier for all of us to come together:

 

The MEPD was born before detachments existed. It was later made into the structure of a detachment. Thats why the name and nature of it is not welcoming for other costumes. 
Just as the SWAT program. It was not meant to be part of the CRL. Levels of CRL did not existed when the program was designed. So neither the Police Offcier or the SWAT badge were intended but forced to be part of the CRL. Again, that is why its nature does not meets so easily with the idea of a CRL.

 

The Sandtroopers Detachment is different in many ways... but that is history. 

We need to see to the future. 

No SE CRL, no HWT on the MEPD... thats the past. Lets not find anwsers for today's challenges there, but here and looking to the future.

As I said, I voted no for SE and for HWT... but I also wrote the very first proto-draft for the SE TD CRL and even tried to build it. We need to look to the future. All together. Justus and Paul and their teams are trying to lead us there... lets catch up, and go there!

Its not about packs or dirt, its about the character and how we can use it to make our club stronger to benefit all of us, the members.

After all, as GL requested, Sandtroopers are just "stormtroopers with special weapons and lots of things on the back" (or something like that).


Saludos.

[Daetrin[Admin]]

I want to thank everyone for all their input over the past week. I appreciate everyone having an open and respectful conversation regarding these costumes and being respectful of each other. We are all on the same side after all.

 

I've been thinking on this quite a bit this past week, and right now my inclination is to have both the variations with packs be covered by MEPD, and we'll retain both the clean & dirty unaccesoried R1 TKs.

 

FISD already has this guy:

 

Which can be a lot weathered (like in the Jyn escape sequence) or lightly weathered and carry a Lewis gun.

 

MEPD will start work on the CRLs for the Jedah/Kyber sandtrooper

 

The rigid pack character only shows up in this fake(?) picture and the sideshow toy. I think we can let MEPD own this if they want, as it will be similar to the Jedah/Kyber sandtrooper and is meant to be a similar character.

 

Since we are very near the R1 CRL, my presumption is that MEPD will let us complete it, then use the same text as the basis for the sandtrooper versions of this costume, just like the current MEPD CRL started with the FISD one as a base to ensure as much re-use and commonality as possible.

 

I'll start helping focus the FISD staff to concentrate on finalizing the R1 TK CRL for now. It's been a long time since the movie came out, it's a bit lame of us that we haven't driven in to completion. I'll work on that tomorrow afternoon as best I can.

[iconoclasta_88[501st]]

Thx Paul. That sounds perfect.

I guess Justus will be in a similar place as you are. And so should all of us.

 

This was a great conversation indeed.

 

Saludos.

[themaninthesuitcase[Admin]]

Sounds perfect to me.

[The5thHorseman[501st]]

Sounds good to me too.

[starsaber25[Admin]]

I think this is great

 

 

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[ukswrath[Staff]]

Looks like a plan boss.

[Dutchy[501st]]

@ iconoclasta_88/Juan, thanks for chiming in here and having made a post that clarifies where we come from and where we want to go with the detachment!

 

@Daetrin/Paul, your post says it all for now. Thank you for this constructive topic and all other troops that shared their view too of course.

And yes, we'll take the R1 CRL once that is completed and complement it with the specs for the characters that are coming our way. The R1 sandtrooper and the Kyber Patrol.

 

I'm really looking forward to working together with the FISD in what seems to become a great year for both our detachments!

 

Thanks all

Edited June 23, 2017 by Dutchy