Fan Made ABS FOTK armor

[tk9948]

The Anovos armor is the closest to, but is still far from screen accurate in many respects. Screen used armor is not even up for discussion being nobody I'm aware of has had access to that property except for Anovos. Yes there's been images released that show details beyond what Anovos has made so, if you can create armor that is closer to screen accurate than Anovos off sheer images alone, more power to you. Just beware someone may come knocking to find out where you obtained your info. 

 

Speaking for myself, I'm not happy about the NDA either, but it is what it is at the moment. Something else I think you're forgetting, prior to FOTK no one had to worry about intellectual property theft. Today however, when replicating to profiting from licensed property, you could be issued a C&D.

No as I did all the work.

[ukswrath[Staff]]

No as I did all the work.

 

I don't believe anyone is questioning you did.

 

   

[camprandall]

All of this discussion is part of the reason why I'm glad ANOVOS exists - even with the horrible customer service many have received - because the dark and shady territory of armor sources is tiring and never-ending. Everyone is copying something from someone - anything from an idea all the way to pure recasting of a kit. I had a kit that I didn't really know the true source of and I didn't like the awkwardness from some members even talking about it because I certainly didn't intend to enter that battle by buying a kit. Going forward, I prefer to have something licensed - not at all because I'm in love with a particular vendor - but because I don't have to become a forensic specialist to be proud of what I'm wearing.

[tk9948]

I wish he recast Anovos instead of my kit, that way he would be on the list of other known Anovos recasters.. 2 of which I have seen for sale, one from Australia and the other from UK, You wanna complain, complain about and to them.

Anovos may have the legal right to produce the liscensed product, but that will not stop prop makers from doing what they do, or people from buying from them. Hell Anovos is so in the hole with orders they can not fulfill.......be suprised if they dont buy another liscense before sending anything out........They are NOT the be all end all, and if you think they are, you are sadly mistaken, Their new ot tk armor is a recast of AM and other pieces, did they ask for permission of the original maker? No So if you are going to go around finger pointing and bashing , you need to do the same to them. 

 

Again for those of you with skulls too thick to let it sink in....I DID NOT RECAST ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!     ALL 501st members have access to the anovos build threads. 

 

As I said, I was trying to make you aware of this recast and why it looks so bad. 

Again, if you want to bash on me, start another thread and LET IT FLY. or PM me to spare the rest of the group your asinine comments.

[tk9948]

 

 

As for the Anovos copy, changing any part of the armor would be expected or yourself  would have been called out as a recaster.  

How can you recast with a block of solid wood?    Where is the common sense?

[tk9948]

All of this discussion is part of the reason why I'm glad ANOVOS exists - even with the horrible customer service many have received - because the dark and shady territory of armor sources is tiring and never-ending. Everyone is copying something from someone - anything from an idea all the way to pure recasting of a kit. I had a kit that I didn't really know the true source of and I didn't like the awkwardness from some members even talking about it because I certainly didn't intend to enter that battle by buying a kit. Going forward, I prefer to have something licensed - not at all because I'm in love with a particular vendor - but because I don't have to become a forensic specialist to be proud of what I'm wearing.

Good for you......

[TK4205]

This question is for admin; Why are all the fotk builds 501st only?

[The5thHorseman[501st]]

This question is for admin; Why are all the fotk builds 501st only?

http://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/33665-tfa-tk-build-threads-in-public/

[camprandall]

This question is for admin; Why are all the fotk builds 501st only?

I moved mine because ANOVOS explicitly said we could share build threads after the reveal. I totally get people being unsure of that though with any NDA still in place. I interpreted it as the "other party" of the NDA dismissing that restriction.

 

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[Lichtbringer]

.I DID NOT RECAST ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!     ALL 501st members have access to the anovos build threads. 

 

You did.

 

And that you had access to the build threads and pics means not that you are allowed to use it to copy others work.

[TK4205]

I guess what I'm asking is why we  follow the demands of some license holder? Prior admin bent over backwards- or frontwards as the case may be. 

 

General Mills has a license too. Will we have to march to their beat if they so desire?  Where does it stop? Unless the mouse steps up and tells us that we have to follow demands of these license holders, I say we should do what we've always done; Help each other and share our work.

 

All you guys that think that it's as easy as scan-copy-print, I urge you to reproduce something, anything, even a golf ball and get back to me and let me know how it worked out for you. If you're proud of your NDA and "legal armor", go hang out on your private FB group. Just please stop insulting the prop builders less all we will get is what license holders give us.

[ukswrath[Staff]]

I guess what I'm asking is why we  follow the demands of some license holder? Prior admin bent over backwards- or frontwards as the case may be. 

 

General Mills has a license too. Will we have to march to their beat if they so desire?  Where does it stop? Unless the mouse steps up and tells us that we have to follow demands of these license holders, I say we should do what we've always done; Help each other and share our work.

 

All you guys that think that it's as easy as scan-copy-print, I urge you to reproduce something, anything, even a golf ball and get back to me and let me know how it worked out for you. If you're proud of your NDA and "legal armor", go hang out on your private FB group. Just please stop insulting the prop builders less all we will get is what license holders give us.

 

We're not insulting prop builders, we're protecting the integrity of the 501st legion. We, armor wearers and prop builders are bound to any applicable laws. Encouraging your 501st members to knowingly violate a law is inviting a lawsuit which could tarnish the 501st reputation. What about this is so hard to understand?

 

If you want to do what you want, go for it, just don't state you're part of a organization who does care about doing things the legal way and having fun while doing it. 

[Lichtbringer]

 I urge you to reproduce something, anything, even a golf ball and get back to me and let me know how it worked out for you.

 

 

I did, several times. And i´m still satisfied how each worked out. 

[troopermaster]

You did.

 

And that you had access to the build threads and pics means not that you are allowed to use it to copy others work.

 

WRONG!

 

There is a huge difference between copying/replicating something and recasting it. You need to learn the difference!

[Lichtbringer]

Call it like you want.

 

If it is cast or copied makes no difference. If he had worked purely from movie screenpics, no problem.

 

But he copied from pics of another armor for sale, that is no artist, just a stealing copy-rat.

[T K[501st]]

[sylverbard[TK]]

This question is for admin; Why are all the fotk builds 501st only?

 

not admin but it's because until recently the only way to get a fotk suit "legitimately" was a licensed product bound by NDA.  with the new ordering possibility i would expect the threads to be open to everyone once those suits start being delivered.  i hope.  and then we can watch the hordes of fancast / fancopied / fansculped sale threads begin here and ebay/etsy/amazon etc.

 

 

 

 

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[sylverbard[TK]]

his arms the wrong colour.

[sylverbard[TK]]

 

All you guys that think that it's as easy as scan-copy-print, I urge you to reproduce something, anything, even a golf ball and get back to me and let me know how it worked out for you. If you're proud of your NDA and "legal armor", go hang out on your private FB group. Just please stop insulting the prop builders less all we will get is what license holders give us.

 

 

i don't commit forgery.  i don't have the skill.  well i guess that's not true. i made a jawa from scratch.  but zero percent of it is copied from anh jawa costumes.  it's the wrong material, the wrong mask type, wrong undersuit, wrong eyes, wrong power box, wrong plastic toy gun, wrong led colour, wrong boots, wrong paint...and it looks better. i guess i stole the audio files for my glove but build a interactive sound system from scratch with some help from someone else.  oops. my bad.  kids love it. or pee themselves when i look at them.  old ladies cop a feel.  sometimes old men.  i try not to remember the copped feels.

 

if a legal binding document appears in my mailbox forbidding me from wearing my suit of unlicensed plastic armour so be it.  disney, lfl, whomever can shut down the vendors of fan crafted kits from selling new ones.  no court in the world is going to retroactively send sheriffs out to destroy them.  this isn't the v for vendetta world of a novel by ray bradbury.

 

but lets call the kettle black.  who doesn't make fun of rubies?  starfield fortress ebay whomever...

 

nobody is insulting prop makers.  at least they're honest about who they copied for the most part.  where the molds came from.  or claim self sculpts from parts of star wars pics,  dvd screen shots, three laser pointers taped together and hundreds or polaroids or slides.

 

however when someone takes all the publics pictures they didn't do themselves and admits to using build thread pictures posted to help other licensed suit owners (without permission of those who posted the threads ), won't answer questions directly, can't answer "who's suit of the limited armour was allegedly copied by someone thousands of miles away..."  especially when he says he only made a small number for his own garrison (what, ten suits, 12?) and then has the audacity to cry fowl *if* someone used his pictures and pictures of his wooden lumps to make new ones...which basically is what he did....it approaches infuriating.  

 

where's Mr. Furious when we need him?

 

and we don't even use the term properly.  that irks me.

 

 

re·cast

rēˈkast/Submit

verb

gerund or present participle: recasting

1.

give (a metal object) a different form by melting it down and reshaping it.

present or organize in a different form or style.

"his doctoral thesis has been recast for the general reader"

2.

allocate the parts in (a play or film) to different actors.

"there were moves to recast the play"

[ukswrath[Staff]]

To add...

 

Intellectual property

 

A work or invention that is the result of creativity, such as a manuscript or a design, to which one has rights and for which one may apply for a patent, copyright, trademark, etc.

 

Violation of Intellectual Property

When a third party copies, sells or assume ownership of someone else's copyrighted work……..

The copy doesn't have to be identical to the source material --- copyright infringement can still be in effect even for copies with some deviations from the original.

[troopermaster]

Call it like you want.

 

If he had worked purely from movie screenpics, no problem.

 

But he copied from pics of another armor for sale, that is no artist, just a stealing copy-rat.

What is the difference?

 

Seriously, if you go and sculpt your own armour from photos then you are making your own armour regardless of the photo references available. Your moulds did not touch the inside of another armour kit and that is recasting - making moulds from existing parts. Scratch building armour from photos is not stealing (unless you want to go down the legal copyright road).

[TK bondservnt[501st]]

A derived work does not guarantee the release from IP violation.  If you hand sculpt a mickey mouse mug with ears... even if you call it mike mouse... you're

still gonna get a C&D.

 

The notion that it was hand sculpted to look like a licensed product does not make it legal.

[Holnave (evan_loh)[TK]]

You did.

 

And that you had access to the build threads and pics means not that you are allowed to use it to copy others work.

 

You have said before that "Recaster shouters should also be banned if their accusation is not true." at the RPF

 

So I urge you to be cautious about who you're calling a recaster without absolute proof.

[Dark PWF[Staff]]

Okay. Here we go. Again.

 

I'm going to spell this out as simply as I can think to do so.

 

I don't believe for a moment that Kevin recast anything. Did he copy an IP? Yes. So what, we need armorers in order for people to dress up like plastic spacemen and plastic spacewomen and make people smile while doing so. I'm not skilled enough to copy things like that, but I can understand, and appreciate the difference between copying something, and recasting something. Kevin did exactly what we ask beyond a shadow of a doubt - he showed molds in progress, sculpted molds in MDF - in sharing his pictures. So as far as I'm concerned, enough is enough on that front. Kevin didn't recast things. I'm done with that discussion.

 

The verdict is still out on FN Armor, whether Kevin likes that or not. Period.

 

I can tell you a few things with certainty these days. My four year old will be the first person awake in the house. The sun will rise in the east and set in the west. My income is going to have taxes taken out of it before I receive it. If FN Armor makes a post anywhere on the internet about their armor kits, Kevin will show up and accuse them of recasting his kit.

 

I know these things to be truthful without fail.

 

I find it slightly hard to believe that you haven't tired of it, Kevin. Believe me, the community has. I'm not an armor maker, but I know that if I were, I'd be more concerned about my business than that of my competitor(s) - even though I can understand the concerns about the apparent and alleged theft of your work. I don't begrudge you that concern. Not for a moment. I understand it and I don't blame you one bit for it. I do feel that you're hurting yourself more than you're hurting FN at this point in time with your behavior here at FISD, and that isn't how this should work. You're a member of the Legion, you automatically get the benefit of the doubt when you present a product for sale. You're hurting your brand. Believe me. I'm publicly asking you to take it down a notch, and consider what others here in this thread and the two or three others that have been locked (primarily due to your behavior in them) have said about that behavior. You're not doing yourself any favors, and you're generating a lot of sympathy for FN Armor in the process. You're driving the buyers to them. I'm sure they appreciate it. As the saying goes, there's no such thing as bad press.

 

There are (allegedly) going to be several kits sent to members to conduct analysis. For the time being, I'm good with that happening and it is far better than continuing to see this circular diatribe happen yet again here at the FISD. This constant witch-hunt detracts from the Detachment and its mission and I'm done tolerating it. The staff is done tolerating it. By and large, the community appears to be done tolerating it.

 

I'm asking you right now Kevin, to re-focus your efforts here. Keep updating your flametrooper thread. We're all excited to see that, even if it isn't going to be an FISD costume. We do love to see these things come to life after all.

 

I'm asking everyone else to be aware of the situation here and be patient. If the kits don't show up, and no analysis can be made, then we'll go from there. If they do, we'll see what our experts have to say about the kits and that information will be shared with the community, I'm sure.

 

So, let's stop talking about FN Armor and its suspected origins, and talk about helping people build awesome Stormtroopers to put awesome smiles on people's faces. That's what we do here.

[tk9948]

Okay. Here we go. Again.

 

I'm going to spell this out as simply as I can think to do so.

 

I don't believe for a moment that Kevin recast anything. Did he copy an IP? Yes. So what, we need armorers in order for people to dress up like plastic spacemen and plastic spacewomen and make people smile while doing so. I'm not skilled enough to copy things like that, but I can understand, and appreciate the difference between copying something, and recasting something. Kevin did exactly what we ask beyond a shadow of a doubt - he showed molds in progress, sculpted molds in MDF - in sharing his pictures. So as far as I'm concerned, enough is enough on that front. Kevin didn't recast things. I'm done with that discussion.

 

The verdict is still out on FN Armor, whether Kevin likes that or not. Period.

 

I can tell you a few things with certainty these days. My four year old will be the first person awake in the house. The sun will rise in the east and set in the west. My income is going to have taxes taken out of it before I receive it. If FN Armor makes a post anywhere on the internet about their armor kits, Kevin will show up and accuse them of recasting his kit.

 

I know these things to be truthful without fail.

 

I find it slightly hard to believe that you haven't tired of it, Kevin. Believe me, the community has. I'm not an armor maker, but I know that if I were, I'd be more concerned about my business than that of my competitor(s) - even though I can understand the concerns about the apparent and alleged theft of your work. I don't begrudge you that concern. Not for a moment. I understand it and I don't blame you one bit for it. I do feel that you're hurting yourself more than you're hurting FN at this point in time with your behavior here at FISD, and that isn't how this should work. You're a member of the Legion, you automatically get the benefit of the doubt when you present a product for sale. You're hurting your brand. Believe me. I'm publicly asking you to take it down a notch, and consider what others here in this thread and the two or three others that have been locked (primarily due to your behavior in them) have said about that behavior. You're not doing yourself any favors, and you're generating a lot of sympathy for FN Armor in the process. You're driving the buyers to them. I'm sure they appreciate it. As the saying goes, there's no such thing as bad press.

 

There are (allegedly) going to be several kits sent to members to conduct analysis. For the time being, I'm good with that happening and it is far better than continuing to see this circular diatribe happen yet again here at the FISD. This constant witch-hunt detracts from the Detachment and its mission and I'm done tolerating it. The staff is done tolerating it. By and large, the community appears to be done tolerating it.

 

I'm asking you right now Kevin, to re-focus your efforts here. Keep updating your flametrooper thread. We're all excited to see that, even if it isn't going to be an FISD costume. We do love to see these things come to life after all.

 

I'm asking everyone else to be aware of the situation here and be patient. If the kits don't show up, and no analysis can be made, then we'll go from there. If they do, we'll see what our experts have to say about the kits and that information will be shared with the community, I'm sure.

 

So, let's stop talking about FN Armor and its suspected origins, and talk about helping people build awesome Stormtroopers to put awesome smiles on people's faces. That's what we do here.

DONE!