Locitus[Admin] Posted February 20, 2014 Report Posted February 20, 2014 Here's a summary of what we know of what was used on the original suits, courtesy of the images and information provided by Voice In The Crowd: Snaps The shoulder strap snap fasteners (poppers) are Newey size 10. Gallery The other snaps all over the suit are Newey size 5 tops with size 4 studs. Known as a 5/4 configuration. The shin hooks are Newey size 4 Gallery Elastics Thigh elastic is 75mm wide and is 46 cord. Length 230mm total. 200mm long with a 30mm fold over. There is 65mm out of the leg the rest is inside. Of the elastic inside the leg 70mm of it is glued down. The arm elastic linking the forearm and biceps are 50mm 38 cord - one arm elastic total length was 230mm the other was 240mm. Gallery The shoulder strap elastics is 45-47 mm white. Has a squared pattern. Positive match: Ebay Gallery Gallery Drop box elastic is 25 mm white. Gallery Canvas belt is roughly 75 mm wide. Gallery Torso elastics are 25 mm black. The helmet elastics are 25mm black 14 cord elastic with one side having a size 5 nickel cap and size 4 nickel socket. The other strap has two size 4 stud / eyelet. The elastic on the shins with sewn hooks white 25mm wide it is 14 cord elastic, The elastic length is 75mm and has a 25mm fold over where it is sewn. The elastic that goes across the shoulder bells bottom is 25mm 14 cord black and it is 270mm long. 40mm of the 210mm is glued one side and 20mm glued on the other. The strap that goes from the top of the shoulder bell to the big Newey snap that is on the main shoulder elastic has a 3 folds in the 25mm black 14 cord elastic. The way it works is - if you look at the elastic side on like the photo going from right to left - make the first fold 80mm back to the right - then fold at 10mm back to the left - then after 40mm back to the right - leaving 20mm pointing to the right (the part the snap is sewn to. This makes total length of the elastic the 150mm. (see attached picture) Hardware The bracket screws are 5 mm flat head machine screws Gallery The split/bifurcated rivets have a head diameter of 8 mm, a shank diameter of 3.9 mm and a length of 9.2 mm - Positive match: Ebay - Gallery The cap rivet heads are 7.36 mm in diameter and 8.36 mm in the back Gallery Gallery Pop rivet washers are 12.61 mm in diameter Gallery Bracket wire gauge is 1.25mm The bolts that hold the brackets have 5mm wide heads - they are 7mm long and the nut on the other side measures 5.13mm across the flats. The spacing between the holes where the metal brackets are placed was 38mm for the centres of each hole. Thermal detonator Thermal detonator end caps are 20 mm deep Gallery Thermal detonator belt clips are 28.7 mm wide Gallery Thermal detonator belt clips are 68.89 mm tall from bend to tip Gallery Thermal detonator belt clip tip outward bend is 5.79 mm wide Gallery Misc Boots are black chelsea boots, produced by Stuarts Gallery Most likely glue used is Stelmax 1985 (information provided by TrooperMaster) 4 Quote
Minuteman Posted February 20, 2014 Report Posted February 20, 2014 This is awesome! When my new TM arrives this will help me tons no need to scavenge old and countless threads. Quote
The5thHorseman[501st] Posted February 20, 2014 Report Posted February 20, 2014 That's indeed very nice! I hope you will keep updating this thread 'till everything is known Mathias Maybe you could add the type of glue originally used? I read from TM they used Stelmax 1985 Quote
firebladejedi[TK] Posted February 20, 2014 Report Posted February 20, 2014 The thigh elastic is 3 inches wide so for those Europeans out there that will be 75mm not 50mm that's only 2 inches.... Quote
Locitus[Admin] Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Posted February 20, 2014 The thigh elastic is 3 inches wide so for those Europeans out there that will be 75mm not 50mm that's only 2 inches....Gotcha. I'm still waiting on more exact measurements from voice in the crowd so I was winging it while putting the post together. Quote
Haribon72[TK] Posted February 20, 2014 Report Posted February 20, 2014 This is beautiful! I'm printing it out and adding to my build binder. Thanks for sharing this Mathias! Quote
Locitus[Admin] Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Posted February 20, 2014 This is beautiful! I'm printing it out and adding to my build binder. Thanks for sharing this Mathias!I can't take credit though, I'm just compiling other peoples knowledge. At the moment it's mostly Chris's. Quote
SCTrooper[TK] Posted February 21, 2014 Report Posted February 21, 2014 Should the ANH canvas belt be about 76mm about 3 inches, the ROTJ belt was thinner. Quote
Locitus[Admin] Posted February 21, 2014 Author Report Posted February 21, 2014 Should the ANH canvas belt be about 76mm about 3 inches, the ROTJ belt was thinner.Yeah, it was me reading the tape measure wrong. Quote
SCTrooper[TK] Posted February 21, 2014 Report Posted February 21, 2014 Yeah, it was me reading the tape measure wrong. I thought so, this thread will be invaluable to TK builders. All the info in one place. Quote
Toddo[TK] Posted February 21, 2014 Report Posted February 21, 2014 Great work assembling this in one spot. Quote
pandatrooper[TK] Posted February 22, 2014 Report Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) I thought the belt measurement from the CRL for Centurion was 2.75". Does that mean the CRL is incorrect? "Size must be 2.75†(70 mm) to 3.25â€(83 mm) wide and not wider than the plastic portion of the belt." Edited February 22, 2014 by pandatrooper Quote
Locitus[Admin] Posted February 22, 2014 Author Report Posted February 22, 2014 I thought the belt measurement from the CRL for Centurion was 2.75". Does that mean the CRL is incorrect? "Size must be 2.75†(70 mm) to 3.25â€(83 mm) wide and not wider than the plastic portion of the belt." I guess we should fix that then. But the point of any information in this thread is that is is unrelated to 501st needs. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Quote
bjsavage7[TK] Posted February 22, 2014 Report Posted February 22, 2014 Great info! Definitely saving this as reference to share with others! Quote
Locitus[Admin] Posted February 22, 2014 Author Report Posted February 22, 2014 Ah right. Gotcha. I've created this special section to put this thread to only discuss original suits and how they were. Completely unrelated to what the 501st does or needs. We have so many other sections for 501st stuff, but until now nothing for replicas. A got a whole bunch of more info on the elastics from Voice in the crowd that I will try to add tomorrow, as well as tidy up the post a little. Quote
pandatrooper[TK] Posted February 22, 2014 Report Posted February 22, 2014 Understood. When viewing on the mobile version of the site, I don't really pay attention to the forum name. You can't see it very well as the letters get cut off where it says "The Repli..." Quote
Locitus[Admin] Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Posted February 23, 2014 Understood. When viewing on the mobile version of the site, I don't really pay attention to the forum name. You can't see it very well as the letters get cut off where it says "The Repli..." No worries. Its very new to all of us Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Quote
mikedwelle94[TK] Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 Good stuff. Now if only I could have put this to use at the beginning of my project Quote
Locitus[Admin] Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Posted February 24, 2014 Updated first post. Still got some more to add, but it will come. Quote
troopermaster Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 This is great info. Chris was very lucky to have so much access to the original costume. Kudos to RS Prop Masters and Chris for sharing Quote
Minuteman Posted February 28, 2014 Report Posted February 28, 2014 Does somone know what was used as a inner belt? What held the thighs in place? Was it just a normal leather belt, was it nylon or elastic? What kind of closing mechanism did it have? Quote
troopermaster Posted February 28, 2014 Report Posted February 28, 2014 They had a thin leather belt holding the thighs up. You can see it here on screen and it was also with the original ANH armour supplied to EFX recently. Quote
Locitus[Admin] Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Posted February 28, 2014 Yeah, some kind of thin belt for sure. It took some digging, but I found this old post: http://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/11419-howto-taking-a-rest-elstree-studio-style/ 1 Quote
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