gazmosis[501st] Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) I just met a future 501st member today. We talked at length and he told me that his armor that he has right now was from someone called "Marco Enterprises" Since I know nothing of this armor nor did he show me complete armor photos, I could not tell him if it's legion approved armor. He says he has owned it since the 80's when he was a kid. He also told me that he owns a helmet by "SKYGUN BROS." He says it's fiberglass and it looks a bit "off" to me. Does anyone have infor on either of these names? If I had pics to post, I would. I don't for now. Edited August 28, 2021 by gmrhodes13 Title updated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locitus[Admin] Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Yeah, Marco was one of the first armour kits ever made. Looks terrible by todays standards, but are rare now so it might be worth keeping for the historic value. It may be what Albin used when first founding the 501st. Skygun is a fairly well known prop maker and has made some really cool "concept" helmets amongst other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locitus[Admin] Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Here's the page on starwarshelmets.com on Marco helmets and armour: http://www.starwarshelmets.com/imperialfanMarco.htm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmosis[501st] Posted May 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) So being that this guys suit is really the "founding Father" of the 501st, I would assume it would be legion approved? He has replaced the FX looking helmet above with the Skygun helmet. It's no TM, ATA, or RS props, but it's better than FX Edited May 22, 2012 by gazmosis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkrestonva[TK] Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Now *this* is an interesting scenario. A Marco suit hasn't been seen in years - let alone approved. I think he'll need to have some discussions with your GML, and your GML then needs to talk to the LMO and show him some photos of him wearing the kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firebladejedi[TK] Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I very much doubt your friend would be cleared with a marco suit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobojuice Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen. That suit is hideous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehickey Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Yeah, times have changed and evolved so it probably won't pass. It's like saying that you found an original Macintosh computer from the 80's in your basement and are wondering if you can use it to run the programs available today on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmosis[501st] Posted May 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I am currently speaking with my GML regarding this. The jury is out and we will see. I will have this guy send me pics. I am as anxious to see the rest of his armor as you guys are!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daetrin[Admin] Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 If you are applying as new to the Legion or are going from retired to active, the suit won't pass. If a person from 15 years ago has worn that suit and never had a break in service, it would still count. There is not a single costume from 15 years ago that would be approvable now. Heck, when I joined to be a Legion sandtrooper you could be an HWT with dirt and voila - sandtrooper! What is base CRL now for sandtroopers is what MEPD deployed standards were back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmosis[501st] Posted May 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I will break the news to him. At least he will have a good manniquen piece for display! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny O Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 ...Well I aquired the armor sometime about 1983-84... still remember the address and had tons of those old xeroxed cataloges! John Marco was his name. It needed a lot of work, and the helmet was indeed downright goofy... but I am still in the process of ressurecting this 'old fossil'! The helmet is a skygunbros... again... totally a work in progress!!! Gaza... teach me o' wise one...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny O Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 yikes... I'll try to get smaller pics...lol. Please disregard the loose fit as I was in process of adding new strapping... and the hand plates HAVE already been replaced. Thanks Steve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehickey Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) What about shoulder bells, they seem to be missing? Plus a knee plate is needed on the left lower leg. Edited May 24, 2012 by bluehickey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny O Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Have the bells... need knee plate. And better pics... All I really need is the undersuit and some extra time.... Again... it needs fine tuning/fitting/strapping... this pic wat the first time I tried this thing on, after weathering it, in 25 years!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john danter Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) Depends totally on the GML to be honest mate. I'd say he probably would get cleared. What garrison would he fall under? It's not the best, but historically awesome he could get cleared. Shouldn't be could He'd just not get the EIB stuff here. Very ironic twist to the flow of that suit if he doesn't Edited May 24, 2012 by john danter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Maybe he could pass as as honorary/historic thing? Do you plan to stay dirty (sandtrooper) or clean it to make a shiny ANH? In a´ny case, you need new hand guards. Those you have are vaguely ESB/ROTJ looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) and the hand plates HAVE already been replaced. Thanks Steve! Edited May 24, 2012 by Spectre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenschein Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) Oops! But they're still NOT sandtrooper-y Edited May 24, 2012 by Sonnenschein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjsavage7[TK] Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 I'd definitely keep that as a historical piece. Its cool for that reason alone. Probably not worth trying to make approvable. Do you think it would stand up to trooping? I'd think it would be kinda fragile, being so old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Oops! But they're still NOT sandtrooper-y Hehe true. not many people seem to go with the cheese grater hand guards for their sandies. =/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmosis[501st] Posted May 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 I spoke with John today and with much hesitation told him that it would be more worth his time and effort to just invest in a new set of armor rather than go through the time and expense of working on this armor and still it might not be approved. I did suggest for historic reasons that he hang onto it. The Midwest Garrison does a few events a year where items are on display and his Marco armor would be perfect for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny O Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Stay tuned.... I DO plan to get this guy presentable. Had positive feedback on the "dirt", however in the picture it's all over me like a cheap suit. If ANYONE knows ANYTHING about this Marco Armor let me know. Google TK619... It's the ONLY OTHER marco restoration I've seen out there and he says Steven Sansweet may have the only other existing one?!? And the one he's restoring is circa 1990-ish... I got that beat by 6 years! Hell, I still have 2 marco lightsaber hilts! Crude but you could knock out a grizzly with them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny O Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 (edited) http://www.wpgworkshop.com/wpgworkshop/TK619.html Check this out. Now this particular one is speculated to be from the '90's, mine dates back to 1983. And Sansweet has the only other one known to "exist"? It is fragile compared to today's standards for sure! The picture posted is literally the first time I wore it in 25 years! A little too far gone to bring her back to spit and polish shiny, so I took the dirty route. Gimmie time fellas... I'll ressurect this fossil and make you guys proud. And I gotta post a pic of the original bucket... it is comical. Edited January 10, 2021 by gmrhodes13 link not working, removed gmrhodes13 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front-a-Little Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 I know your goal is becoming a 501st Member (which is awesome by the way ) and you already have a kit so why spend this huge amount of money on another contemporary kit. But if I read that correctly, you are the proud owner of one of 3 Marco Kits worldwide, together with that restoring guy and Sansweet (probably). That makes the entire suit, despite the odd look compared to newer kits, something special, I'd even say: treat it as if it was an original movie prop. Make it look good and shiny/dirty but don't wear it or troop it. As others have said, after all these years, the material might be too fragile. Conserve it and make it become a piece of fan-made TK armor history 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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