Strange armor details

[lightside]

Have you ever noticed these details?

 

1: Solo's "paper-chest".

 

 

Well... is that ABS? Doesn't seem to be. Not in that shot at least. Is that possible that they made a rubber chest for that scene?

In the junk-cell scene Luke is attacked by a kind of monocular snake, remember that? Han Solo bends over water very easily and Luke stunts very well even though he wears a stormtrooper armor. How could that be? Did they change the plastic thickness or the whole material to make these shots? Because if I don't modify heavily my ABS armor I cannot either bend or sit so easily.

 

2: unclosed tights.

 

Well, as you can see in this original shot from the first movie "A new hope", it seems that armor tights stood open when stormtroopers stunt or run.

You could say that is only that trooper who forgot to close his tights, but if you watch the entire opening scene in rallenty mode you will se that all the stormtroopers have the their tights open behind.

Edited August 10, 2010 by lightside

[TK bondservnt[501st]]

The original suits made from ABS are very flexible compared to some of our modern armor makers. so that completely explains why

harrison ford can sit down in armor. actually he's just "standing up" in the horizontal position.

 

the shin armor on some suits was attached at the back with elastic and hooks. so in some situations the armor opens up.

so that explains the open backs in the tantive 4 scene.

 

these details have already been discussed at length. good to see that you've noticed them as well.

 

happy screencaping!

 

AP and TM Abs suits can stand up to that kind of bending...

[lightside]

The original suits made from ABS are very flexible compared to some of our modern armor makers. so that completely explains why

harrison ford can sit down in armor. actually he's just "standing up" in the horizontal position.

 

the shin armor on some suits was attached at the back with elastic and hooks. so in some situations the armor opens up.

so that explains the open backs in the tantive 4 scene.

 

these details have already been discussed at length. good to see that you've noticed them as well.

 

happy screencaping!

 

AP and TM Abs suits can stand up to that kind of bending...

Good to know.

I apologize if I posted something already discussed. I checked for a similar thread but didn't find anything, sorry.

About screencaping: there is a famous picture around the net which shows Harrison Ford in stormtrooper armor without the belt (he is drinking in the picture so I think he was taking some rest between a shot and another), and I believe to remember the abdominal part were split in two parts. Do you know where I could find that picture?

Edited August 10, 2010 by lightside

[TK bondservnt[501st]]

its just fine to share, even if it's already been discussed.

[Billhag]

 

AP and TM Abs suits can stand up to that kind of bending...

 

 

Daniele

Vern is correct with most of his post except his last stament. <_<

The only suit of armour that bends like the originals is 1mm TM.

I have owned 2 sets of AP (amongst others) and I have yet to see it bend or flex

in any way shape or form in a similar way to how the originals were contructed or made.

Vern if you have any examples or photos of this could you kindly share them with us

as they would be very informative.

 

[ObiHahn[TK]]

there is a famous picture around the net which shows Harrison Ford in stormtrooper armor without the belt (he is drinking in the picture so I think he was taking some rest between a shot and another), and I believe to remember the abdominal part were split in two parts. Do you know where I could find that picture?

 

I think I know which pic you mean - it's one of George, Mark and Harrison taking a break and discussing something, and Mark and Harrison have taken off their belts. The detail you see under there looks like a split on first sight, but it's only the shadow of the edge that is sculpted in the armor. I could only find a pic of the detail on Marks ab right now (the b/w pic in the lower right corner):

 

All TE lineage armor has that abdominal edge as well, as has the TM abdomen.

[lightside]

Great pics, thank you!

Edited August 10, 2010 by lightside

[trooper18938]

The GF hero ABS armor (circa 2002) also has a lot of flex in it, although not as much as Han's chest plate. You can twist it, though.

[troopermaster]

AP and TM Abs suits can stand up to that kind of bending...

 

Put your money where your mouth is Vern and show us a pic of you bending your AP chest like this-

[Madmartigan]

Put your money where your mouth is Vern and show us a pic of you bending your AP chest like this-

 

Man, that's sexy!

[lightside]

Put your money where your mouth is Vern and show us a pic of you bending your AP chest like this-

Great work man. I think one day I'm going to buy one of your kit for sure.

At starwarshelmets.com Jez wrote an article about the first helmets created for ANH. He says in his article that the first 50 helmet were made of green HDPE, a very flexible material used to make milk cartons. So watching the Solo's chest I thought it would be that material, used just for those scenes of hard stunt.

[troopermaster]

The real suits are very thin and flexible which makes the chest flex like it does. Strapping also plays a big part too.

 

HDPE is extremely flexible but so is ABS too. This begs the question why AA needed to use the HDPE in the first place if he had his own blend of flexible ABS manufactured?

[lightside]

The real suits are very thin and flexible which makes the chest flex like it does. Strapping also plays a big part too.

 

HDPE is extremely flexible but so is ABS too. This begs the question why AA needed to use the HDPE in the first place if he had his own blend of flexible ABS manufactured?

I touched a real stormtrooper armor by lucasfilm in an itinerant fair in 2005 here in Milan (I was there with the 501st). If I don't remember bad It was an ANH stunt armor with a ESB helmet on (maybe the helmet had been lost) and sincerly it seemed made more of styrene than ABS. It was very sturdy and hard, and it was not glossy at all (but maybe because it was very old). In any case it didn't seem so flexble.

Edited August 12, 2010 by lightside

[troopermaster]

It wouldn't have been an ANH suit. If it was, it would most likely have been in a glass case so no-one could touch it. My guess it was an ROTJ tour suit or a cast from one of those that are used sometimes.

 

If you have a photo of it I can tell you exactly what it was.

[lightside]

It wouldn't have been an ANH suit. If it was, it would most likely have been in a glass case so no-one could touch it. My guess it was an ROTJ tour suit or a cast from one of those that are used sometimes.

 

If you have a photo of it I can tell you exactly what it was.

It was not allowed to take pictures, although lots of people did it with cell-phones, LOL. I was in the armor for whole time.

The costumes were on mannequins placed on pedestals. There were only a delimitation area with a red rope and a glass in front, but opened in the back. For example you can look at shis picture:

http://portal.501italica.com/image/image_gallery?img_id=46892&t=1281628990641

The emperor and the Maul were of the 501st (the emperor was sitting on a screen used chair! XD) while the others are all mannequins, the only prop entirely closed in a glass was the Yoda puppet from ESB.

I could touch the costumes because we gave some help to prepare the stages in the fair called "Star Wars - The Show".

Unfortunately, I,'m trying to find pics for the armor showed there but I can't (I searched on the Italica Garrison site but the gallery have been resized to few pictures). I'll walk around for forums to check for any pics, I'll post them if I'll find them.

In any case I'm sure the helmet was not from ANH but I'm not sure about the armor. I believe to remember it was ANH style, but I could be wrong. In any case it was very sturdy.

Edited August 12, 2010 by lightside

[stukatrooper]

remember Lightside there is no such thing as a stupid question,its the stupid answers we need to be mindful of.

 

here is my 1mm TM with the ab detail you spoke of,its a ridge line around the the ab,not a split.

 

 

Edited August 19, 2010 by stukatrooper

[Madmartigan]

remember Lightside there is such thing as a stupid question,its the stupid answers we need to be mindful of.

 

here is my 1mm TM with the ab detail you spoke of,its a ridge line around the the ab,not a split.

 

 

 

OOOOOh....screws on the chest bottom, anorak snaps, and everything. Awesome!

[TK bondservnt[501st]]

I can sit down in my AP.

 

I can get back up again.

 

that's good enough for me.

 

it looks like billy and paul have a problem with understanding what I say.

 

why don't you take a step back gentlemen and listen to your own voice.

 

I have always praised the TM suit? and there is not one single reason to take

 

offense at the posts I offer.

 

both TM and AP can flex. granted the TM is more flexible... ok, now lets see everyone flex their suit to the

breaking point, time, after time after tims...

 

it WILL crack and split in half.

[stukatrooper]

I can sit down in my AP.

 

I can get back up again.

 

that's good enough for me.

 

it looks like billy and paul have a problem with understanding what I say.

 

why don't you take a step back gentlemen and listen to your own voice.

 

I have always praised the TM suit? and there is not one single reason to take

 

offense at the posts I offer.

 

both TM and AP can flex. granted the TM is more flexible... ok, now lets see everyone flex their suit to the

breaking point, time, after time after tims...

 

it WILL crack and split in half.

 

 

Vern this sort of play really spoils the game mate. I for one can take offense at alot of your posts.You drive me nuts!

Edited August 19, 2010 by stukatrooper

[carbonitekid]

why don't you take a step back gentlemen and listen to your own voice.

 

 

 

 

This coming from the most arrogant sounding , AP obsessed individual I have yet to come across on these fair boards.

 

Perhaps they are not the only ones who need to step back and listen.

Oh, and do you have to hijack every thread and turn it into a pro AP debate?

 

Edit: Just read your post Peter. Spot on with all points.

Edited August 19, 2010 by carbonitekid

[troopermaster]

it WILL crack and split in half.

 

Mine won't

 

It's you who has a problem Vern. You spout your mouth off too much and you know nothing......simples

[tkrestonva[TK]]

Play nice, gentlemen. No need for personal attacks coming from or directed at anyone.

[lightside]

In any case, I'm satisfied about the flexibility of my armor material. (sorry, I took the pic with my cell-phone camera)

 

Edited August 19, 2010 by lightside

[Billhag]

why don't you take a step back gentlemen and listen to your own voice.

 

Let me see…… <_<

Her-rowwnd the ragg-ged rock the raas-kal ran,…..err hmmm

Herrr-rowwwwnd the raagg-ged rock the raas-kal ran…arrh that’s much better.

Yerrp, I like the sound of it just fine mate. In fact I could give you the names and

numbers of a few of my lady friends that I’ve known through out the years

who would say that it can be quite EXOTIC …especially accompanied by a

few wines and some mood music provided by Barry white…if you know what I mean

But I digress

 

Guys

As Brian said, play nicely now,,,d’ya hear

 

Vern, Vern, Vern, Vern, Vern,….what we going to do with you mate?….Hey?

Why do you persist with this confrontational attitude. You are never

content to just roll with the flow. You’ve always got to push a few buttons

here and there, rattle a few cages when ever you can and all mostly when

there is no need for it.

 

Right, lets take your comments one at a time.

 

I can sit down in my AP.

I can get back up again.

that's good enough for me.

 

Good for you mate,

Take a look at this photo mate, that I know that you’ve seen before.

 

 

 

 

 

Now tell me, or even better still show me that AP or any other armour that you know

flexes and bends in the same way as that when worn..

Just so you know, I’m a UK Garrison Armourer and I’ve help build, have built and owned

well in the region of 30 suits compromising of all the flavors and names that you can think of.

(including the one that Daniele is showing in his photo)

So I think you’d agree that I’m in a position to know the composition, make up and structure

of each of these suits and how they behave when worn.

Now I can honestly say that I have never, I repeat NEVER come across anything that replicates

the real on screen suits and the way that it flexes and moves whilst worn up until now.

The fact is the TM 1mm suit is the only suit that I have ever seen that does this.

Why do you think everybody at this moment in time is wetting themselves and shouting as

loud as they can “WOW!!†at this new suit?. It’s not about who made it, that could

have been anyone. Its about the giant evolutionary leap forward that this suit represents.

So please its not another match off of AP verses TM, there just is no contest mate.

 

both TM and AP can flex. granted the TM is more flexible... ok, now lets see everyone flex their suit to the

breaking point, time, after time after tims...

it WILL crack and split in half.

 

As Paul said, The TM 1mm doesn’t. We had three different people trying to tear, bend or brake

this stuff and all to no avail. Even after cutting a starting line with Aircraft scissors it still wouldn’t

go on it own

 

 

it looks like billy and paul have a problem with understanding what I say.

why don't you take a step back gentlemen and listen to your own voice.

I have always praised the TM suit? and there is not one single reason to take

offense at the posts I offer.

 

Vern I understand you quite clearly fella. and I fail to see any where in my previous post

where I showed that I had taken offence in what you had posted.

That said, I very much take offence at this post as this is the second time in a week

that you have baited me.

So please listen to me very carefully, This is the LAST warning, the next time may

result in a suspension.

 

 

 

Daniele

Please except my apologies for taking your thread of track

[carbonitekid]

Let me see…… <_<

Her-rowwnd the ragg-ged rock the raas-kal ran,…..err hmmm

Herrr-rowwwwnd the raagg-ged rock the raas-kal ran…arrh that’s much better.

Yerrp, I like the sound of it just fine mate. In fact I could give you the names and

numbers of a few of my lady friends that I’ve known through out the years

who would say that it can be quite EXOTIC …especially accompanied by a

few wines and some mood music provided by Barry white…if you know what I mean

But I digress

 

Guys

As Brian said, play nicely now,,,d’ya hear

 

Vern, Vern, Vern, Vern, Vern,….what we going to do with you mate?….Hey?

Why do you persist with this confrontational attitude. You are never

content to just roll with the flow. You’ve always got to push a few buttons

here and there, rattle a few cages when ever you can and all mostly when

there is no need for it.

 

Right, lets take your comments one at a time.

 

 

 

Good for you mate,

Take a look at this photo mate, that I know that you’ve seen before.

 

 

 

 

 

Now tell me, or even better still show me that AP or any other armour that you know

flexes and bends in the same way as that when worn..

Just so you know, I’m a UK Garrison Armourer and I’ve help build, have built and owned

well in the region of 30 suits compromising of all the flavors and names that you can think of.

(including the one that Daniele is showing in his photo)

So I think you’d agree that I’m in a position to know the composition, make up and structure

of each of these suits and how they behave when worn.

Now I can honestly say that I have never, I repeat NEVER come across anything that replicates

the real on screen suits and the way that it flexes and moves whilst worn up until now.

The fact is the TM 1mm suit is the only suit that I have ever seen that does this.

Why do you think everybody at this moment in time is wetting themselves and shouting as

loud as they can “WOW!!†at this new suit?. It’s not about who made it, that could

have been anyone. Its about the giant evolutionary leap forward that this suit represents.

So please its not another match off of AP verses TM, there just is no contest mate.

 

 

 

As Paul said, The TM 1mm doesn’t. We had three different people trying to tear, bend or brake

this stuff and all to no avail. Even after cutting a starting line with Aircraft scissors it still wouldn’t

go on it own

 

 

 

 

Vern I understand you quite clearly fella. and I fail to see any where in my previous post

where I showed that I had taken offence in what you had posted.

That said, I very much take offence at this post as this is the second time in a week

that you have baited me.

So please listen to me very carefully, This is the LAST warning, the next time may

result in a suspension.

 

 

 

Daniele

Please except my apologies for taking your thread of track