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Tons of good comments/ suggestions here. Honestly, I'm not seeing anything that should stand in the way of basic approval; you did a great job Steve. I think I've mentioned a couple hundred times now that my 3D project has been a never-ending story. I could start listing items that should be corrected, mostly because I'm familiar with Akira's design, but anything I say would be nit-picky and not beneficial for someone seeking basic approval. However, since it's been brought up already, I do want to address the legs. Again, what we're seeing in yours is no different than what I was approved in, they're consistent with other makers, and look way better than other not to be named designers. The pictures below are from Celebration 2022 and while they are reflective of the current batch of costumes (Mando S2, Kenobi, and Andor), the legs are the same as they were during the release of Rogue One. First, the front view. You're running into the same issue with your shin armor that I did; that's why I asked Akira to make a few design changes. However, while he was willing to make the calf area larger to facilitate bigger legs, he wouldn't adjust the "bell-bottom" flare beyond what he gave me initially. That's what's throwing off the overall shape of the design. If you compare the views others provided along with the ones below to your front pic, you'll notice that the Akira files are extraordinarily narrow at the ankles and don't taper correctly down to the bells. However, I would rather deal with this than the overly bulky design we've seen elsewhere. Honestly, while I absolutely love the Jimmiroquai armor, even Jim's is off on the overall shape of the shins and Akira's is more similar to Jim's than the actual screen used prop. Please see below for a few SBS pics of the screen used armor, Akira Yuning (yours), Jimmiroquai, and Mr Paul's: First, on the screen used armor, the flat front of the trim piece and cover strip form a "T" that's fairly symetrical while Akira's takes a slightly angular approach before tapering to the rear of the leg. Next, these are taken at different angles so they look slightly different, but they still give you a good idea at how the calf, ankle and bell follow much different paths from top to bottom. Akira and Jimi's are both "bulbous" in the upper portion with a very sharp angle and small bell-bottom. I know a few people have attempted to widen Jim's bell bottom and they've had good results, but it's a lot of work. In Akira's first design, the bell-bottom was non-existent; after some prodding, he added it, but wouldn't adjust it further. Candidly, I'm fine with what he did because most designers would have told me to go away. The big thing for me is that the screen used armor does not have that gap in the front of the top trim. I know this is hard for makers to emulate, but with the MPSB you can actually leave the top trim off as a separate piece that fastens with magnets, Velcro, etc. giving it the same clean appearance as the screen used prop. Again, this isn't anything that's been held against people for basic approval, but it annoys me almost as much as the missing trim around the back box. Next, take a look at the side view and particularly the angle of the top trim. Akira's does stop a lot shorter in the back, but the angles are also off. On a positive note, Akira nearly nailed the front and rear slope angle, which is almost identical to the screen used prop and Paul's design: Finally, you're not going to be able to do much about the cover strips because they're modeled into the shin armor, but Akria's are off. Again, this isn't anything that should impair basic approval, but some of us that have worked with Akira in the past should start making a list of update requests. Finally, one other note for anyone else out there building a ROTK kit: There are no reference photos other than the Rogue One Promotional photos that show the rear belt overlapping the front. I know what the CRL says, but I really think this is an error. Also, if you really zoom into the other TKs in the promo shot, their belts overlap front over rear. The promo shot I'm referencing is seen here, but if you want to zoom into the other guys, go check out the gallery: But that also shows the large front tab below the belt boxes which was removed, likely for comfort, prior to filming. The only place we see that large tab show up again is in The Mandalorian Season 1 Remnant TKs. However, with regards to the overlap, every screen cap and reference photo apart from this one show the front overlapping the back. Here's a few: On screen in RO Celebration 2016 This year. Ultimately, this needs to be debated for future CRL updates, but since your GML (@Anzo) is viewing this thread you might want to discuss.

Colin, This is amazing work. Thank you for detailing this so clearly for anyone looking to do a BS Helmet Conversion. Also, thank you for sharing the tears and traps on Thingiverse. This is true for the Kenobi series helmets and likely several other helmets being used on set today. So kudos for including in in your build. However, I know you and I discussed this previously on FB, but for anyone thinking about cutting up their helmet, just be aware that the vented traps weren't the case for all the helmets during the filming of the Anthology movies or even The Mandalorian series. Several of us vented the traps as you've detailed (which was is a pain in the butt) but I'm still trying to put my finger on when the prop designers made this feature "standard issue." Here's Mr. Missing Trap from The Mandalorian. Notice the solid white piece where we should be seeing vents: Personally, I think it's because several scenes from Kenobi were filmed on location which may have required additional comfort. Regardless, if done correctly, like you've done, either way should be acceptable. Overall, great job on the conversion. This is awesome work.

Oh... and I just realized that @jhpeyto posted this back in 2018: So I'm seeing some support for the costume, but nothing new.

First, let me start by saying that I love @CrookKnight's build thread. Shawn, everything looks incredible thus far. Ok. So I'm doing a little research which always leads me back here and now I have a couple questions. First, Shawn, have you sourced a cape yet? I have a pattern for the Phasma cape and intend on working on it soon, but I was curious to know if you've made any progress on this? Next, a quick google search for Captain Cardinal brought up these pictures, which... surprise... were on Shawn's build thread. So my question is this: if Hal has been rocking a Cardinal suit since at least August 2020, has anyone reached out to him about potentially modeling for the CRL, or are there discrepancies I'm overlooking in these two pics? If Hal's build isn't a candidate... do we have any volunteers for the CRL? @CrookKnight??? Maybe??? You seem to be the furthest along. Finally, having read what's been put up on the public threads, can we just do a cut and paste of the TFA CRL and add the cape? It sounds like that's what the LMOs were asking for. Please keep in mind that I'm an absolute FOTK noob. If this were a red ROTK, I'd be all in, but right now, I'm kind of following everyone else's lead before I start spraying red stuff all over a brand new set of armor. Anyways, I was just curious to see if there was any progress on this before I start butchering up my own kit and wanted to know if the CRL has been started yet? Thanks as always

Jason, You'll have to look at a couple of the build threads for complete strapping, but this will get you started: Next, here's a good look at the screen used thigh strap. Just imagine it like this: top of 1" webbing attaches to abdomen, or a belt, then there's a tri-glide mid thigh for adjustment, then a side release (or preferable top release buckle) hidden behind the sleeve that covers everything (or behind the thigh) armor, then the bottom section of webbing attaches to the thigh armor. I'm about to do a tutorial on my Remnant Stormtrooper build thread this weekend, so you can look there once it's up, but here's the pic: It's from a Mimban, but the same system is used on the ROTK; this picture's just a lot more clear than the others. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Logan, Great job so far; you nailed the paint color and scheme. Yes, maybe a couple more nicks and dings, but you're looking good so far. I do want to reiterate what Glen said about the belt boxes though: I'm not saying this because I designed those files, but rather because the ROTK CRL is pretty clear with this one basic requirement: The ammunition belt is accurate in detail and proportion to official references. So, in the absence of an artillery/ mortar stormtrooper CRL, we really need to emulate what we see in the ROTK CRL pics and the screen references. Also, since the artillery stormtrooper comes from the Disney+ (New Generation) armor pics, those armor sets need to be emulated carefully, and yes, there are differences. Here's a few pics: Ok, these two are a little blurry, but you can see the triangular/ prism shaped detail on top of the mid sized box. Additionally, you can see how it's lined up with the top of the belt and the large box is approximately 1/8" below the top. Here's a good pic of the trooper who got blasted in the belly by Boba. And here's a picture that was taken at celebration; it's probably the most clear picture of the top of the New Generation belt we have. Also, please note in all these pics how the edges have a pretty deliberate chamfer. Finally, here's a picture of the belt boxes I designed. These ones are printed in resin and are going to be used to create molds so I can start casting them. I am going to slightly alter the file in order to flatten the mid box detail, but not by much. Hope this helps.

Welcome aboard Jason. It looks like you're well on your way, but I did want to hit on this thought: Glen's post regarding the BS helmet conversion is the "near definitive" resource for getting this project done. But, if you're looking for alternatives I'd push you towards purchasing the Jimmiroquai bucket, or doing the thing you don't want to do. Or do you? I only ask because I was a little thrown off my the "I can do that myself" quote. If you have the ability to 3D print a helmet, I'd encourage you to look into the Nico Henderson (DesertFareCosplay on Etsy) bucket; it's an incredible file and the most accurate ROTK helmet out there. Additionally, if you print carefully in something like a carbon fiber PLA filament, you wont have to suffer through the excruciating task of fill, sand, repeat, repeat, repeat. You'll still have to do some sanding, but I've had resin cast helmets that required more attention than the carbon fiber Nico bucket I printed recently. Additionally, though the CF filament is PLA based, it's not susceptible to heat warping like typical PLA or PLA+. Regardless, look up some of the pics of BS helmet conversions, but also take a look at these. The first is my Jimi bucket right after I did the initial spray, and the next few are pieces of the Nico bucket that just showcase their accuracy and how smooth the CF filament prints. I had to sand the face on this one because I had a loose carriage when I printed. But, I wanted to show you this so you can see the details Nico added, including the very subtle "bump" in the eye socket. Additionally, painting this helmet is incredibly easy due to the way that pieces such as the "teeth," tears and traps are accurately left separate from the main body. This is as bad as it got with the layer lines which sand out with one pass of 120grit. From there, it's just a light coat of filler primer. This is what most of the layers look like. And here's the chin lightly sanded and coated with a light coat of SEM filler primer. So I know you said you don't want to print, but it's actually an incredible option for this costume. Please let us know if you have any questions about the rest of the build.

Deymian, Welcome aboard! All I can do is double down on what Glen and Andrew said. When I first got started, I linked up with my local garrison and went to a couple events where I got to assist as a handler, take pictures, and just lend a helping hand. This also gave me the opportunity to speak to others and formulate a game plan for how I wanted to proceed with my costumes. Though some kits can get rather expensive, you don't have to drop a ton of money to get a quality costume. Keep your eyes and ears open and you may be surprised at what you find. For the time being, you've come to the right place. There's tons of people here willing to help.

Oh yeah… Thank you eBay. I’ll get started in a couple days.

Ugh. Well, hopefully they are able to get this all sorted out. I haven't started trimming yet, but per my initial glance, everything seems to be in order. However, I am a FOTK novice, so I'll be leaning pretty heavily on you guys. Also, I'm already following @TheRascalKing's lead through most of this and letting Justin make all the mistakes so I don't have to. Also, if I do start finding off-color pieces, they're all going to end up red in the end, so I'll let it slide. I will say this though... who in the flying QA circus allowed the DN team to sew the gaskets inside out??? Honestly, I wouldn't have even thought about it, but Justin pointed it out to me about a week ago. I don't get this at all. In this pic, I turned the knee gasket inside out so the difference can be seen. SHINY SIDE OUT DENUO NOVO... Fortunately, Dave from Sheev's Emporium gave me a lesson on sewing ribbed fabric a few months ago, so I'm either going to right this wrong, order a new set, or make one myself. Actually, I have a bunch of fabric left over from my DT kidney gaskets, so I might just try to make some gaskets this weekend. Ok, I'll post more pics later. Regardless, I'll be finishing up my new ROTK/ New Generation TK in a couple weeks and I'm sliding the Deathtrooper to the side to finish this one first. My Anovos TFA bucket is getting here tomorrow, so I'll be set soon.

And... TIME! Officially, it ended up being 18 days from placing my order to BBB Day. Not bad... Not bad at all. Here's what Denuo Novo's About Us page says: denuo (dē-nuō) -once more, a second time novo (noh'-vō) -to make anew, revive, change, alter, invent. I think it's fair to say that Denuo Novo has lived up to their name. I also know that there's a lot of people out there who are still jaded by Anovos, but I think the new company is doing a good job at putting that stigma aside. Regardless, I have another TK kit I'm finishing up, then I need to prioritize a few builds. Anybody have an extra TFA bucket they want to get rid of???

—UPDATE— I just received this notification yesterday: Yup! Denuo Novo is living up to its word thus far. I’ll post pics on BBB day

Jim’s “guesstimates” are pretty conservative to say the least. This is a picture of me with my ROTK abdomen, showing the flexibility of his armor, as well as showing just how accommodating it is for people of all sizes. This should help

Welcome aboard Dallas! It's always awesome to find these kits out in the wild. I'd encourage you to continue "lurking," but also start engaging others who have traveled the same path; you'll find all the help you need here. Anyways, welcome again and we look forward to seeing your build take shape.

Welcome aboard Stephan! I think you'll find all the help you need here. I just ordered a FOTK kit from Deuno Novo on the 7th and am looking forward to getting what appears to be an outstanding kit. However, I would be interested to hear what others who have already received their kit think about it's overall size. Just off the top of my head, I know that @TheRascalKing @daryldoak, @Peregrinus and a few others have received theirs and posted build threads. They may have some input on it's size. There's a few other makers out there, so I'd encourage you to look around the forum and see what others have to say. When I receive mine, if no one's given you a good answer yet, I'll hit you up. Regardless, we're glad you're here and looking forward to seeing you start building.

OK, so regardless of the time I've spent printing, I've decided to abandon this project for the time being. Plus Denuo Novo just put their kit on sale ($100 off + free US Shipping) so... 3DTK 2.0 is suspended, but the Cardinal build will resume shortly.

Ari, I just received an email from the designer and for personal reasons, he's shut down operations for a while and doesn't know if or when he's going to be reopening his design studio. I wish I could tell you more, but these files are no longer available and am going to honor his privacy until he tells me it's OK to share. With that said, there's another file set people have used which you can find here: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/art/other/star-wars-tlj-storm-trooperhelmet-chest-shoulder-armour-ep8 I'm not aware of any FOTK approvals in this costume, but @Cricket did a pretty cool thread outlining her son's build using this kit. You can find it here: Hope this helps.

Ok... not sure why, but I really like the scout trooper. The protocol droid is kind of creeping me out though.

That little tool is great. They're kind of hard to find though and typically ship from Japan, but if you can find one, it's awesome. I've been using it on my 3d print and fiberglass kits, but it also works well cleaning up return edges on traditionally formed kits. If you get one, just make sure to buy extra sanding pads in lower grits. It comes with 600, 800, and 1000, but you can get them as low as 200 grit. By the way, I neglected to update my build threads last week, so here's a new picture of the helmet smoothed out a little more. I'd take another picture, but it's covered with painter's tape right now. I'm getting ready to spray the inside with bed liner. While I'm typing, I might as well add a few small pieces to this thread. So tonight, I'm going to print out another set of @TheRascalKing's greeblies in resin and affix them to the helmet before I do any final coats of primer sealer or paint. Regarding the greeblies, here's a little test print I did in carbon fiber PLA a few weeks ago before I left for California. As you can see from the pic, I got a bunch of top layer lines and stepping which is easily filled or sanded out, but I want to avoid this completely for my final set. Also, I will note that the carbon fiber PLA is incredible stuff. Of particular note is that while printing with .2 layer height, the material bonds together with lower layers better than most other filaments which eliminates layer lines almost completely. Of course, the top layer is visible, but that's a result of the shell settings which can be adjusted. I've experimented with different layer heights from .125 up to .3 and the layers are nearly indistinguishable at heights under .3. At .3 they are visible, but even there, it takes considerably less effort finishing the prints. The carbon fiber PLA can also be sanded out nicely and isn't as susceptible to heat deformities like traditional PLA or PLA+. I did see last night that I can also get carbon fiber PETG, so I may test that out next. Here's a pic of the typical prints I've been getting: Even though this part is for another costume, it shows how clean the carbon fiber filament prints. Printer settings are available on request, but the basic settings of this print are .4 nozzle, .2 layer height, 50mm/ sec, nozzle 210 bed 55. So back to the FOTK, here's a few more of the greeblie tests: On this one, I printed it in a different orientation which eliminated the top shell lines and also decreased the settings to .15 layer@ 25mm/sec. Even though it came out incredibly clean, I still think resin will provide a better product. Regardless, this slow approach shows that a person with a FDM printer can still get some awesome results if they take their time. This greeblie did not require any filler or additional sanding. 1 layer of primer and paint would easily satisfy any 3d print finishing requirements. Here it is on the helmet before I sprayed the additional layers of filler primer. Anyways, this was just a quick little update. Once I'm done printing the greeblies, I'll post pics and likely throw them over in Justin's thread for other's reference. Thanks for viewing

Ari, Thanks for reaching out. I've been away from home for a while, so I didn't see your post initially and apologize for the slow response. I'll continue to update my work and I hope the thread helps you out during your build. I reached out to the designer and asked if he minds me sharing his info, but I haven't heard back yet. If he gives me permission, I'll share their info. However, the files Glen posted have been used by quite a few people and I've worked with the designer previously; he's very helpful. @Cricket put up a great build thread when she used these files for her son. You can find it here: Regardless, I have a few updates I'll be making later this week and will post them here. For now, here's a picture I haven't posted yet. I finally got everything smooth on the main helmet and have since coated it with another layer of filler primer. This pic was from the first time I did a test fit using screws instead of loosely setting the pieces in place. So far so good. What's good to look at though is the differences between the initial primer layer I posted on August 3rd and this one. Plus, it looks even better now. 3D printing is fun option for doing these, but it's a ton of work. Please keep in mind though, that with these type of builds, 3D printing is the hobby not costuming. I've covered it previously in other build threads, but if you're looking for a costume to jump in, there's other options available that'll save you a lot of time, heartache, and in some cases money. I only say that to give you a head's up, not to discourage you, primarily because Halloween is very close. For a 3D TK, you might want to set some extra time aside. Typically, it takes me around 3 months at the quickest to assemble a full 3D costume and that doesn't account for the lead time on soft parts and assembly. Regardless, I will gladly jump in anytime to help you out if you have any questions and now that I'm back in town, I'll start updating my threads again. Thanks for the interest

Ok, we may have to rethink how requirements for the new generation armor are captured. I think I may have to start another thread just to keep these separate from the Remnant.

I definitely agree with both of you. I think I listed this as a Level 3 requirement in the draft. I'll pull up my other reference images, but this has appeared a couple times on TKs recently and a few times on the Shoretrooper and ICAT driver.

One thing I forgot to note earlier, I added the J hook and 1" webbing that passes through the bicep to the original post. These elements of the armor keep reappearing in scene after scene. I know we typically don't cover strapping in the CRLs, but similar to the strap holding up the thighs or the webbing holding the drop box, this continues to be a prominent element of the costume:

--Edit-- I missed Glen's previous post with all the additions, including brownish hue weathering. I will review it and add changes to the original post later. Everyone, These have all been excellent observations. I think one major thing we can take away from all of this is that the Remnants and New Generation TK costumes have taken a significant amount of abuse and the props department has been incredibly busy executing "field expedient repairs" on all the gear. Honestly, it makes sense when you compare and contrast the stunt work and general movement the TKs of today are executing when compared to the OT films. Overall, I feel that the costumes are stressed a lot more than they were in the late 70s and early 1980s, so we can expect to see frequent usage of tape and broken pieces. They're also fairly easy to find if that's what we're looking for. However, in the spirit of defining the uniform aspects of these costumes, I want to address the things that appear consistent between what we're seeing as well as these new things that continue to pop up. With that said, I'm going to update my original post with a few of the items we've agreed on thus far. For the Remnant, the OT helmet is a must. For the New Generation TK armor, including Remnant, I think we agree that the lower belt "tab" was an intended part of this costume that was either broken off, or removed on a case by case basis. Also, I'm going to add the red pauldron as an accessory for the New Generation TK to compliment the orange, black and white ones available for the ROTK. However, for those interested in the Mortar Trooper (yellow), I think that should either be an extra tab under the CRL, or a separate CRL altogether. Additionally, for blasters, we can confirm the addition of at least the SE-14R and E-22, but are waiting for additional reference photos to add for the New Generation costume. I think I spotted an E-10 in The Mandalorian season 1, plus there's this TK holding what appears to be a T-21. Regardless, please keep the references coming in. The Belt: I completely agree that the front overlaps the back which stands in contrast to what we have in the Rogue One TK CRL. Here's one of the references from Rogue One showing the back overlapping the front: But the majority of the references I can find show the front overlapping the back: ROTK on Scariff ROTK at CE 2016. TK in Solo where it's either front over the back, or butting up end to end. Seems like there's more reference photos from Rogue One and Solo where the front overlaps the back, but that is also consistent with the newer productions. Celebration 2022. So, team these up with the pictures Glen posted and I think it's clear that the intent was for the front to overlap the back. However, for the TKs who appear to have waist sizes larger than 30"/ 76 cm, the ends of the front and rear belts appear to butt up against each other. My suspicion regarding the tape is that it was simply added to hold things together, especially for the stunt actors who were a little more physical than the others. I think you're right. This TK just appears to have grabbed whatever was available at the time. I've seen a few different back plates that make me think that the actors had small, medium and large options, but whoever helped this trooper get dressed must have picked last. If you look at the TK on the far left, the kidney plate appears to extend much further to the side. This is interesting, but I think it's a malfunction of some sort. I'm not sure how the costumes are pieced together for the actors on set, but from just looking at it, it makes me think that the trim at the top of the shin armor just wasn't secured to the rear. This may be another one of those broken pieces. To me, it looks like the shin armor cracked when they Velcroed the rear "clam shell" together. Here I am attempting to emulate the look with my Mr Paul shin armor: Not quite the same, but I think this illustrates what I'm trying to say. Also, I haven't seen any other references that look like this, so again I assume something's just going awry with the costume.

that's funny. Honestly it's easy to find errors if that's what we're looking for. I think for this exercise, we just have to decide what's uniformly consistent. However, even though we're finding odds and ends in the Kenobi troopers, this is our opportunity to nail down the requirements for the new generation costumes, both for the Mandalorian remnants and others. That's funny also. I thought about doing the same thing, but there's a certain joy I get out of these flaws. One thing though, earlier you circled the Velcro/ fabric/ tape mess at the end of this trooper's belt. I think some of what we're seeing here is the rear soft belt they wore under the hard belt on the new TKs. I've attempted to make one, but without a solid reference other than that one picture of the screen used abdominal closure system we've all referenced a hundred times, we still don't understand the functionality of that belt. I believe it was used to stabilize and pull back on the front belt while providing an anchor for the rear hard belt and kidney plate, but this is purely speculation.